Great article:the naming of Petraus and the sacking of Fallon are sure signs of war with Iran soon. It’s good to see there are some sane patriots left in Israel and the American security bureaucracy.

What a great ally, a democracy no less, in the Middle East!

Any news of tensions between the U.S. and Israel is music to my ears.

This will happen after McCain:

Petraeus for President! Another War Hero In White House!

http://gopcatholics.blogspot.com/2008/04/national-debt-at-all-time-high.html

Why not waterboard these suspects? I mean, this is what the neocons think we should do to threats and spies and traitors, right?

Another insightful column, Justin. Good job exposin’ the Chosen.

Clearly the ‘game is rigged’ and those in the know are just blowing smoke in our faces..
This puts Hilliary Clinton’s threat to ‘totally obliterate’ Iran for the sake of Israel in perspective. With a population of over 70 million precious fellow human beings - ‘total obliteration’ Clintonian style would equal 12 Holocausts.  No wonder that old goat Kadish is smiling.  Good job!

buchanan phones in another homage to the color of his skin this morning.

Carl O,

For those of you who claim to be for an American First foreign policy, what is so wrong with waterboarding? And don’t give me some BS about how it is in conflict with our values.  The primary value we must relearn as a people is that “we” matter more than “they.” A traitor must be treated as an enemy of the American people and therefore is not protected under our constitutionally protected rights. The same logic applies to terrorists who want to kill our women and children. It’s called a Dual Morality code. We value ourselves more than we do outsiders. It is because we have lost this principle, mostly through guilt politics and egalitarian ethics, that we are destroying our country.

Let’s waterboard Cheney, Wulfowitz, Pearle, Kristal, Pohoretz, and Feith. Do it in public at Yankee Stadium and sell tickets for charity.

Nice work Justin! Staying focused on the ball while “the neocon media” fumbles badly, again

Roland, you’re a man cut from the same cloth as myself!  Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen…

I am almost 80 and ever since I can remamber many years ago (60) I determined that it was the zionists that have been determined to deliver us to socalism (communism, really) Sounds like Mel Gibson does it not? God bless America.

<Ninety percent (90%) of all the spies who have been caught during the past 50 years have been Jewish - an amazing fact considering that Jews are a tiny percentage of the U.S. population.
Posted by mike on Apr 24, 2008. >

Now this is an outright lie. Going back 50 years would be 1957. Since then only one Jewish person has been sent to prison for spying. That was Pollard. Everyone else was not Jewish.

Israel spies on America. So what? The US spies on Israel and has been doing it for decades.

“Now this is an outright lie. Going back 50 years would be 1957. Since then only one Jewish person has been sent to prison for spying. That was Pollard. Everyone else was not Jewish.”

Ok, I didn’t go back far enough. Look up the Rosenbergs, Nathan G. Silvermaster, Gold, etc. Most were Jewish. Only a few were gentiles.

Response to the post by Mike Gavin on Apr 25, 2008.
So according to Mike any American citizen can be labeled an enemy of the American people and treated accordingly including use of torture. Today this treatment is reserved for spies, tomorrow it will the foreigners who are “taking” American jobs. After that anybody speaking against US foreign policy is fair game.
Mike, terrorism is a tactic of war (used mostly by groups that have no armies) against governments with established powerful military.
The Allied bombardment of the German city of Dresden in WWII is terrorism according to you since it purposely targeted civilians (yes women and children!). All those pilots deserve no protection under the rules of war and may be tortured once caught.
Mike says hell with protecting our fighting men and women. Let them get tortured if caught. Unfortunately this is the same philosophy permeating the present administration headed by war criminals. This is the US! Not Nazi Germany. “Dual morality code” is a euphemism for Racism. In war, there is something called the Geneva convention in which torture has no place. Go hide under a rock.

Alan Hansen

No, any American citizen cannot be labeled an enemy of the American people, only those found undeniably guilty in the act of treason.. If you cannot see the clear difference between waterboarding a foreigner working in the United States and waterboarding a terrorist leader who knows the location of the next 911 attack, then I see not point in furthering our discussion. Your slippery slope argument smacks of the liberal universalism that has infected so much of American society. I bet you are against the wire-tapping of terror suspects making calls to foreign nations too, aren’t you? What amazes me about liberals is that you are so trusting of government to administer control over our lives, to resocialize us and socially engineer us to be a good diversity loving people, and yet you are so fearful of giving them the power to protect us from the threat of Islamic terrorism.

You say that the dual morality code is a euphemism for racism. Once again, you sound like someone who should be hanging out at Moveon.org rather than a paleoconservative website where true Americans recognize that there is nothing wrong with valuing ourselves more than others. A people cannot survive if they do not value themselves more than outsiders. Or perhaps you believe competition is a myth and that we can all hold hands in a peace-loving pluralistic society. But since you are fond of slippery slopes, let’s apply this argument to your allegation that the Dual Code of Morality is racism. Do you value your family members more than those outside your family? By your definition of “racism,” for me to value the life of my children more than other children makes me a racist. Sounds silly, doesn’t it? And yet, I dare say you would call me a racist because I want to shut my borders and preserve the American Land for my people.  And I am probably a racist because I do not want my tax dollars being spent on the hospital bills of aliens in my country. After all, everyone has a right to be here, don’t they? We do not own this land, we stole it from those darn Indians, so everyone can come here and scavenge off the civilization they would never have been able to build on their own and we have no right to preserve our nation from Balkanization and cultural denigration.

Why is it every liberal you disagree with finds it the best strategy to label your positions the positions of Nazis? Grow up, kid. Real political discussion can take place without throwing around the race card.

Yes, terrorism is a tactic of war, and the only way to defend against this tactic of war is to acquire “actionable” intelligence. Do a Google search on the “ticking time bomb” theory to understand what I mean. Sometimes acquiring this information requires waterboarding.

Are you really hiding behind the Geneva Convention? Are you kidding me? In case you have not noticed, this enemy we are fighting does not abide by any such rules. They do not wear military uniforms, they attack churches, they torture and decapitate our prisoners. Do you really want us to follow the Geneva Convention when our enemies do not? Why don’t we just tie both hands behind our backs and try to head-butt them to death? History has proven that when you are fighting barbarians, you often must become a barbarian to defeat him. But do not throw another one of your slippery slopes at me, the way we act abroad will not follow us back home so long as we abide by the Dual Morality Code. 

As for the bombing of Dresden in WWII, yes, I would agree that this form of civilian punishment warfare could be classified as terrorism.  Couldn’t all warfare? I don’t begrudge the Islamic terrorists we are fighting from employing the only form of effective warfare they can muster. However, I do not begrudge the government that is trying to protect the life of my children from using waterboarding to keep them safe. 

The problem with most of you who do not accept waterboarding is that you do not really believe this threat is real, or if you do, you believe it is our fault.  Make no mistake, this enemy wants to subjugate us to Islamic dominance and pulling out of the Middle East will not change this fact. We must be willing to defend ourselves at all cost. Only a strong and bloodthirsty display of self-preservation will convince this enemy that they will not be able to defeat us.

Mike, It’s a principle. Otherwise why not just randomly arrest people living in the US including American citizens and torture them. I will bet that we will be able to stop a lots of terrorist conspirations, murders, robberies, white collar crimes etc...and we will be truly safe from terrorism and reduce the rate of shootings, rape that is plaguing our society. My kids and your kids will be much safer. This is obviously absurd! It will never happen! By the way I am no liberal and agree with a lot of what you have written.

Of course we must defend ourselves at all cost. However the threat from Islamists isn’t real, it does not exist, as a matter of fact it has not existed since 800 AD. The truth is that our government has lowered itself and made a bunch of lunatic cave dwellers into a respectable enemy. The monsters that are responsible for 911 have neither have a voice nor followers in any Islamic country. They have no army, no logistics, they are hated by most other Muslims. What do we do! We go attack countries that are neither implicated nor a threat, we threaten to attack others, we torture mainly innocent people in Iraq and few Iraqi fighting the occupation of their country, we kidnap people from Europe and around the world who turn out to be overwhelmingly innocents and have them tortured. In Guantanamo they were over 700 inmates, more than 450 were released after 5 years incarceration with no charges and among the remaining, no one has been charged as of today! This government lies around the clock to the American people. We have cheered while our bulldog ally in the middle-East (who our former President Carter called Apartheid) bombed and killed innocent people in Lebanon and still does it on a daily basis in the occupied territories with arms supplied by us. So these “ticking time bombs”, we are hard at work making them. We are needlessly making enemies all over the world and among the Muslims who should be our allies. The degenerate extremists who probably do not number more than a hundred are laughing at our stupidity and want us to go after the 1 billion plus Muslims so they can exact a bloody toll on us.
We need to be strong and sometimes even bloodthirsty but in this case all we really need is some “smart and cunning” to defend ourselves and our interests. Our conduct make us laughable in the eyes of the world. No I ain’t giving my blessing to torture.

The timing of war with Iran will depend on the election. If Obama wins, Bush will launch (or provoke) the war before he leaves office. If McCain or Hillary wins, the task may be left to Bush’s successor.

Mike G.

20 years ago I’d have agreed with your proposition - e.g., waterboarding suspected terrorists who seek to kill our women and children as legitimate defense.

But today I see that our women and girl-children lust after and seduce - when not being seduced by - the very ethnics who do in fact rape and murder them in large numbers year after year right here at home.  Somebody needs a good waterboarding, but who?

Oh no cipher! They’re taking our white womens! God help us!