You think Jean Raspail had her in mind when he wrote Blue Island?

One could say so much, but in public, it is perhaps best only to say: Vive l’Algerie Francaise! Vive l’OAS!

just checked, netflix has two of her movies

The OAS did not know when it was time to quit.  You can regard that as a virtue or a
vice, but I think it is inarguably true.

Thus, under “just war” theory, they failed the “jus ad bellum” prong on the “prospect of success” element, without even reaching the way their tactics ran hard against other prongs there and, even
more jarringly under the “jus in bello” analysis.

All this is clearer in hindsight, I assume, but seems to have been discernible from the facts available to them at the time.  Hard and emotionally-fraught times make for hard choices, but understanding that doesn’t make bad choices into good ones.

Eliot’s words on the English Civil War seem apt: “These men, and those who opposed them, and those whom they opposed, accept the constitution of silence, and are folded in a single party.” The good, the bad, and the ugly.

Taki: Your praise of my father’s military is well taken, however, I fear that the German government is presently too busy to apologize for becoming wimps. They are preoccupied with Canossa type pilgrimages to Tel Aviv and concentrating on convincing Germany’s youth that their Wehrmacht fathers and grandfathers were nothing but a bunch of lowlife criminals and cowards.

Speaking of a perilous swims, my unstable mommy used to leave me on shore as she swam way-way-way out there into the Atlantic passed where the waves formed but near enough that I could see her floating there on her back, with those twin balloons-no doubt assisting with her flotation-pointing skyward.

And standing there I guess I was about 3 or 4 I’d ask passers-by to go get her and I’d point out to where she was floating. By then I didn’t cry anymore at her departure I just stood there, on alert and aghast that she was such a nut.

Sometimes the tide would carry her along the beach, and of course I’d follow so I could always point directly out to where she was (hopefully) floating. She always wore a white bathing cap so that helped in spotting her in the dark green water. When my mother died, needless to say I was in therapy and when the female shrink whom I had come to trust over a five year period (twice per week) allowed me to cry. I never cried harder in my life. I remember the tears almost shooting out from my eyes and slapping against the window pane. I think it all had built up and was how I would have cried way back when, if she had sunk earlier in my life below the waves.

I would have cried longer but my shrink told me my session was over. I remember in tasting my tears that day thinking they’re salt water, just like the sea. Back then there had been no movie JAWS yet; but now I’m sure there were always also sharks swimming in her near proximity. By 18 I had become a scuba diver, figuring it’s better to get to the bottom of these things and see what’s going on down there. Of course it didn’t help on dry land, so I went into therapy.

If I remember well, she didn’t say ‘my arse’, but something else. And thanks for your comments on the Prussian officers corps.

Taki wrote “. Eventually sent to fight with the Italians at Monte Cassino, Soehring had a
good war”.  The Italians were missing at Monte Cassino.  The great difficulty the Allies
faced at Monte Cassino was explained by Field Marshal Alexander.  At the crest of the fighting for Monte Cassino in Italy when attacking New Zealand troops under Bernard Freyberg were being steadily repulsed by German paratroopers, Alexander wrote to Field Marshal Brooke: “Unfortunately we are fighting the best soldiers in the world - what men!… I do not think any other troops could have stood up to it except those para boys”. 

At Tehran Stalin told FDR and Harry Hopkins that the true sentiments of the French were represented by Marshal Petain and his government.  No false sentiment from this butcher.  Contrary to Hollywood and New York intellectuals, there was not a government in Western Europe that preferred Stalin and the communists to Hitler and his Nazis.  John Keegan wrote that the drivel of Europe waiting to be freed by the Allied invasion only satisfied those who wanted to believe such crap.

Taki is enamored by the Japanese to such an extent his senses leave him.  American prisoners died at a 4% rate under German captivity while about 30% did so under Japanese barbarity.  Their officer corps had little sense of honor and delighted in torturing the weak.  They stand no worthwhile comparison with the Germans.

I end by stating the Maginot Line did work, but the Germans went around it.  A West Point history book took pains to include Marshal Kesselring’s assessment of the French.  Smiling Albert stated the best troops his Germans faced in Italy were the French.  Taki needs some adult writers to write about mature themes.

Immortal Greeks?  I’ve heard of Taki, but who are these characters, Socrates and Plato?

To dispel any thoughts on the prowess of the Japanese I add from something I wrote:

The Chinese government of Chiang Kai Shek seeking guidance against the onslaught of the Japanese turned to the master soldiers of the twentieth century, the Germans.  In particular they turned to the German general called by the British military historian, Basil Liddell Hart the most influential German officer of the Second World War, Hans von Seeckt.  That von Seeckt had been forced out of the German army in 1926 for allowing the grandson of the deposed Kaiser to attend military maneuvers, and the awkward fact that von Seeckt died in 1936 some three years before the start of the war would have disqualified most mortals.

Seeckt had proven himself in the First World War when he was the guiding brain of the German victories on the eastern front, but his real genius became evident when he organized the German army to overcome the limitations of the Treaty of Versailles.  The secret codicils to the Treaty of Rapallo were signed in 1922 when he commanded the German army.  The Germans through this treaty were able to establish flying schools and tank training ranges in the Soviet Union, and in turn the Soviets had some of their future leaders study in the German war schools.  One such leader was the future Marshal Zhukov who studied strategy under von Seeckt from 1921 to 1923.  Seeckt’s real achievement was revitalizing the Wehrmacht.  In particular Seeckt had the idea of training men to gain qualitative superiority over cumbersome conscript armies.  He also stressed the absolute importance of basing actions on surprise saying without it great results could not be obtained, and one has only to imagine how many American generals would be capable of saying such a thing.  Flexibility was another keystone as he demanded that local successes be exploited, and he also insisted that all commanders be far more forward than was the custom so they may feel the pulse of the battle.

A Chinese officer was so impressed with Seeckt and other German advisors, especially von Falkenhausen, that he posed the conditional conjecture that if the Germans had two more years in China, the Japanese would have faced a far different foe.  Continued German influence may have even enlisted the Chinese on the side of the Germans and changed the balance of power in the world.  Lest the reader think the Germans were there in significant numbers the numbers given by the New York Herald Tribune for the total number of German advisors in the ten year period from 1928 to 1938 was 137 Germans with a maximum number of 64 in 1934.  It was more than a little discomforting that this Chinese author did not think the later American effort under Chennault and Stilwell was near the standard set by the Germans even considering the much greater number of Americans and amount of war materiel sent by the United States.  This assessment pained many Americans as it denigrated the American military which neither during the latter half of World War II nor during the years of the Vietnam War ever studied what exactly it was the Germans did.

What did end the German military mission to China were the repeated requests by the Japanese to Hitler to recall his mission to China.  Commonweal, an American Roman Catholic magazine of liberal persuasion, contended that von Falkenhausen with ill-armed and hastily drilled Chinese troops held a million Japanese soldiers at bay.  The initial well-trained nucleus had been squandered by Chiang and the Kuomintang during campaigns at Shanghai and Nanking.  The Chinese writer so taken with Germans maintained the only way Hitler could make von Falkenhausen obey his orders was by threatening the family of the German general with reprisals.  When leaving China von Falkenhausen insisted no German advisers return via Japan and in no way communicate their intimate knowledge of Chinese affairs to the Japanese.

Not so the Italians.  The Italy of Mussolini had lent air officers to China, and these officers had built up elaborate, aerial survey mosaics of the strategic Nanking-Hangchow-Shanghai triangle which they treacherously sold to the Japanese on their leaving China.  The scions of Marco Polo showed very little loyalty other than to themselves and their personal gain.  Commonweal in the same editorial of September 12, 1941 in which it lauded von Falkenhausen made some rather cruel assessments of Italian behavior.  Mussolini had promised to help Hitler “short of war, which would enable Italy to fulfil its role of ally, by immobilizing large Allied naval and land forces in the Mediterranean basin by means of its pro-German attitude.” Hitler did not insist because his experts feared the great burden of taking over and feeding 42 million Italians if the Italians were to have early reverses, and if Germany had not seized the livestock and dairy producing countries of Denmark and the Low Countries.

Taki, why so hard on the Brits all the time??  They defeated the great Rommel in N. Africa on their own, and don’t forget how they fended off the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain.  As a Greek you should thank Churchill for urging the Allies to intervene in Greece so that the Commies wouldn’t take over around 1944.  If not for the Brits, Greece would’ve been a Soviet satellite.

An interesting book entitled The Pity Of War by Niall Ferguson when an Oxbridge student, throws some light, albeit grudgingly, on why the allied losses were 25% to 35% higher than the Germans’.

It seems that the Tommy, in absence of any orders, would sit on his duff while “awaiting orders”. According to Ferguson the German soldiers, under similar circumstances, would go looking for problems to resolve, ie. look for trouble, on their own initiative.

Mr. Hoermann, you reflect my sentiments exactly, and I tell my sons that they have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of regarding their German ancestors.  The current political and financial climate fortunately makes them much more receptive to my politically incorrect statements and position.

Once I showed them on a globe of the world all the countries allied against Germany and that it took over 5 years of the entire might of the Communist and Capitalist world to defeat such a small country.

What courage!

What stamina!

What brilliance, especially in international trade, by-passing the banking system.  The western world could learn a lesson here, but what with the “not invented here syndrome...” not very likely.

This by-passing of the international banking system is a major reason why Churchill agitated for war with Germany.

As for the poster above pontificating about the courage of the British soldier… With the empire down the toilet and the country following quickly, the Brits need to cling to something, even fantasies.

H.F. Wolff

Taki, my father who served in Patton’s Third Army had nothing but praise for the German fighting man. He heard the whine of their damn 88’s till the day he died.

Nice article.

It could also be tried with a third title: Deutsche Liebe....

Germans have always been in the vanguard in just about everything, and traditionally were always the best fighting men.  Except they are also a restless people, who would do better nowadays to become a little more like the French dispositionally and ask themselves ‘ok, where is it that we imagine we’re going?’ And yes that’s what they’ve been doing too.

As for the English, they’re neither in the vanguard, nor do they ask themselves the question yet ‘ok, where is it that we imagine we’re going?’ … Shakespeare was quite a windfall for the English, but there’s always an exception to the rule which proves it. … “If thy unworthiness raised love in me, More worthy I to be beloved of thee.” –W.S. Yes the English were ‘unworthy.’ However, there is a hierarchy, and it’s hard to imagine, how they would have done worse with America, than Americans have done.

“For I have sworn thee fair (Isramerica)-more perjured eye
“To swear against the truth so foul a lie.”

But then again, what else is new, given the past 500 years. ?

“… Shakespeare was quite a windfall for the English”

jeff w, being charitable by nature, I can only assume you aren’t a very widely read individual.

Herr Wolff, you fail to recognize that British bungling was a deliberate ploy - a “ruse de guerre” if you will - to confuse you.  It created an air of unpredictability which, with the greatest respect, Germans are ill equipped to deal with.  Lacking resources, we fell back on resourcefulness.  Think Bletchley Park. 

But we shouldn’t argue.  I think it was Robert Graves who wrote something to the effect that during the First World War, the British felt greater kinship with their German foes than they did with their French allies.

Given that we now face the eradication of European culture, we must be true to each other and our common heritage.

Mr Wolff:  you are living in the past.  No German soldier today could fight the jihadists in Iraq or Afghanistan; that’s why Berlin is keeping them out of harm’s way.  The age of the tough old Junker class is over, like the British empire.  And it is not a “fantasy” that the Brits held off the Germans in the air war and in N. Africa before the US was in the battle.  Btw, I am not anti-German in saying any of this.  My girlfriend is German, and I think Berlin is one of the greatest cities in the world.

The above should read - the British “soldier” felt greater kinship ...

Herr Wolff - I am a Brit whose ancestors have lived on those isles since the stone-age. What you say stings the more because it is true. If only the clock could be re-wound to 1938/39 with what we know now! We now have all the time in the world to wallow in our sorrow and think of what could have been.

Colonel T.N. Dupuy in his NUMBERS, PREDICTIONS AND WAR, used combat factors to evaluate the participants in WWII. His results were that the Germans were the best, the Americans and British next, and the Japanese and Russians bringing up the rear.

The Brits’ land battles were not decisive; but their Naval victory (with us joining in the later stages) in the Battle of the North Atlantic was. Logistics, logistics, without supremacy there, we would not have been able to do much on the world continent.

Taki often comments on the the discipline and decency of German Officers and I thank him for it. My father was a Wehrmacht Leutnant in Russia and a fine man.

Mr Richard,

Your introspection is commendable; Britain and Germany should have joined and fought the common enemy, which was NOT the National Socialists.  Even Churchill had to admit that the N-S had achieved wonders in a very short time. Brits do have commendable traits and abilities which I do not wish to belittle. The problem as I see it is that “official” Brits (media, intelligentsia,, government) look down their nose at anything non British, and the British citizen suffers the consequences.

My best boss was a British ex pat and I worked with him for over 10 years… He was one of the finest men I have known. His philosophy was “if two people always agree (in business) one of them is redundant”.  We had vociferous and heated arguments about processes and procedures, followed by agreement and combined effort in implementation.  Result: outstanding achievements in productivity and returns. And happy customers, sometimes grudgingly!

Germany and Britain ought to work together for the betterment of mankind; who else is going to do it?

H.F. Wolff

The Germans had one fatal flaw Taki...they were too stupid to learn from their mistakes. What other nation, after seeing the horrendous slaughter that had taken place on the fields of France and Belgium, would have plunged us into another bloodbath. A bloodbath they had no chance of winning. But you are correct about their soldiers.

Brave and disciplined, they profited from the years when Hitler knew exactly what he wanted to do, and the ineffectual British ministers, save for Churchill, procrastinated in their desperate attempts to avoid the tragically inevitable. And what has been achieved? The destruction of European culture! Perhaps there is some hope, for us English anyway, with the resurgence of English Nationalism. But don’t be too fulsome in your praise mon ami!.remember the crimes committed against youe fellow countrymen by the Germans...sometimes you can stand too far back in your attempts to be dispassionate!!

atticvs:

Perhaps you’d care to refresh your memory as to who declared war on whom, leading to WWII.

Also, the good ol USA was in it practically from day one when, as a declared neutral power, it aided and abetted Britain.

Desperate attempts by British ministers to avoid war???  Perhaps you missed that chapter in Pat Buchanan’s book?

Anyway, congratulations and best wishes to the Brits for standing up steadfastly for free speech in a recent extradition hearing for Dr. Toeben.

H.F. Wolff

Mr Smallweed wrote:  “I think it was Robert Graves who wrote something to the effect that during the First World War, the British felt greater kinship with their German foes than they did with their French allies.”

I am not sure of Graves, but am positive George Orwell wrote that Tommy thought this way.

“Germany and Britain ought to work together for the betterment of mankind; who else is going to do it?”
-H.F. Wolff (as posted above)

If you would resurrect European culture and you *should you must *return to where it began its decline, by remembering what Aristotle knew and Christianity later supported (for a while) that the world is also Divine, not merely the transcendent, but both. OTHERWISE you do not love what you see, namely the angels of air and of water of sunshine and of earth. And you start to cheat toward ‘spirit’ profoundly imbalancing in that direction ‘as if’ it were in a war with the Earthly Mother or mother Nature. (Get it?)

Then what happens? You can’t cheat the Divine, and it seems then that God DISCIPLINES you for your attempt to do so, turns you against one another, and later you have these discussions about ‘what’ went wrong. If you would not miss the point, you would go back to where it began to go wrong 500 years ago as Aristotle was dropped as the philosophical underpinning for Christianity and Western Civilizaion, in favor of the Platonic, and *especially the Epicurean, and the silly Cartesian. That couldn’t be worse (for you), and so finally look FULLY at the results it engendered. One way to start to get back on track is to resume study of Aristotle, adding for example David Hume, and especially adding Martin Heidegger. In philosophy, we must *never avoid biology and history in building upon the Traditional, like we began to be inclined toward doing in our philosophic embrace of the Platonic which profoundly imbalances toward the ‘transcendent’ and of the Epicurean which profoundly imbalances toward the atheist materialistic (and gave rise to both Marx & prior to capitalism), leaving nothing but hot air or the Cartesian-monkey in the middle.

Is that any way to run an airlines? (humor) Come on, right-?-, get with the program.

It’s not a giant leap toward realizing the philosophical underpinnings of European philosophy itself, at least *also led to the destruction (sadly) of Europe and European culture. The good news is – you just took a wrong turn, the foundation is yet thankfully in place. Otherwise I’m afraid one day you may all just be rickshaw drivers – ‘chop, chop!’ Then I’ll have more time to read-?-as ‘A.Smallweed’ above suggests.

You can be sure I’ll be in the passenger seat, right?!

Mr. Wolff
Well of course the annexation of Austria and the invasion of Poland never had anything to do with WW2..you see that’s where l went wrong!...of course..silly me. And of course Americas support and it’s eventual entry into the war made Germanys defeat inevitable. Surely that was the point l was making...a war that Germany could not win because the entry of America was...INEVITABLE. Good grief man, YOU read your history and not just Irving. And l don’t need you to tell me about the way freedom of speech has been eroded in my own country! As l said, we have a chance with the rise of English Nationalism but the point is conceded. Life in Britain is almost unbearable!.That is why people like us regularly read the great Taki’s paper. Like minded(usually).

Atticus conveniently omits that the Austrians wanted to reunite with the rest of Germany since 1918, but were forcibly prevented to do so by the victors of WWI. As for the invasion of Poland, I certainly think that the record shows that there is more to it than the “official” story of marauding Germans raiding a peaceful neighbor.

Getting back to the original love story described by Taki, it was not really that unusual - even though the high profile of Arletty makes it very interesting. In the mid sixties I was engaged to a beautiful French girl (Rita), whose mother Madelaine met Rita’s father while he was a German soldier in France and she followed him to Germany after the war. They married, moved to Paris and lived there happily and very French, with strange things to eat like escargot and oysters, which I found horrific with my underdeveloped plain German taste.

“They married, moved to Paris and lived there happily and very French, with strange things to eat like escargot and oysters, which I found horrific with my underdeveloped plain German taste.” –Werner H.

I always enjoy your posts, except when although deep they fall a bit short of ‘the’ depth at hand. For example the why as to why the powers that be are conspiring to trash the US auto industry. (Altogether another topic, agreed.)

On the issue you raise regarding French cuisine, there’s a fine line between living to eat, and eating to live. It’s possible to love the fact that one must eat (no choice.) I personally believe that is the French ideal. They shouldn’t cross that line, or there’s the penalty of gout & unattractive fat.  It’s also possible the Germans may hate the fact, they must eat to live. That would be in as it were, error. But it doesn’t mean your taste Herr H. is underdevolped. I doubt it. One can prefer a lamb stew to caviar, without being accused of being uncouth. I do.

Also with regard to Poland there were cities or parts of Poland, weren’t there, in which the majority were clamoring to be returned to Germany…after being arbitrarily given to Poland after WWI ?  They voted to be returned to Germany, but the central government in Poland refused, and then Herr Hitler invaded.

Isn’t that accurate? Regardless I believe the French and the Germans have as much in common as the English and the Germans… and they all, all 3 ought to unite in bringing back Europe & each special country’s unique European culture.

While on business in Switzerland some years ago, an associate dared to order, and consume, escargot.

Not so adventuresome I stuck with Rehruecken (saddle-of-deer); my personal preference being able to recognize what I eat.

My mother as a young girl and a cousin visited a well-off uncle in Belgium who had married a rich(?) Belgian girl after WWI.

For a few weeks she enjoyed the high life of chauffeured automobiles with crocodile leather running boards, servants, casinos, cafes, etc.

And then back to the workaday life!

Her uncle offered my mother a position in one of his businesses but she declined.

I seem to recall that the businesses were antiques and jewelry sales in one of the casino towns, and custom limousine manufacturing under the name of Reynard (or similar phonetic spelling).

Unfortunately this relative had no offspring so no chance to renew relationships or make business connections.

It never ceases to amaze me how quick and ready certain Brits are to point a finger at others for all sorts of war propaganda ills of questionable origin and dubious facts.

As the Germans say: “Jeder kehre for seiner Tuer” or in the local patois “People who live in glass houses...” India and South Africa immediately spring to mind.

Now then if Britain in 1939 had minded its own business they still might have their empire, a decent country to live in, and the founding of the European Union might have happened 15 or 20 years earlier.  God knows Hitler made enough peace overtures to the Brits, but these dullards in high places were unable to see past the immediate profits to be made from war.

And the same kind of mentality is in charge now in the USA.

We ARE living in interesting times.

H.F. Wolff

Paul S.
Your point is well taken. After learning to love the “French” ways, I understood that the enmity Germans feel towards the “Welsch” is akin to the envy between brothers, where one feels the other one inherited the better part, as it is between the descendants of “Karl dem Grossen” (he spoke German, not French). Undoubtedly our French brothers got the better part of his empire, where they could concentrate on developing the finer things in life, while us hapless Germans had to figure out how to survive a cold and hostile environment.

H.W. Wolff I agree with you.

The funniest thing is the Destroyer ship on which sat the dullard Churchill & Roosevelt in his agreeing to the ‘stupid’ war… shortly after they left, was sunk - all killed.

But, they ‘made’ history… and war profits for their ‘owners’.  Those ‘destroyed’ very shortly after the sad cupidity.

What’s the Chinese curse – ‘may you live in *interesting times.’

And YES – that stupidity and greed rules yet, sadly, in my good ol’US of A.

That’s why I agree with the jeff w. above – you all may be rickshaw drivers, one day. Chop’chop!

However at least don’t be so dumb as to forget it wasn’t america per se, but Isramerica.

Taki wrote:

“My friend Andrew Roberts might write non-stop about how great the Brits were, but there are those of us who know who would have won if America, the Soviets, Poland, South Africa, Rhodesia, Holland, Greece, even tiny Belgium and the Free French had not united against Hitler.”

South Africans? Belgians? Greeks!? Huh? That crack smoke must really taste good?

The only thing that prevented Nazi Germany smashing the UK during the early phases of the war was Hitler’s idiotic Anglophilia. That probably cost him the war right there—those pathetic rocks in the North Atlantic were useful as American aircraft carriers. 

The only places where the Germans ran into any kind of real resistance was in the former Soviet Union and the former Yugoslavia.

You all can bloviate all you’d like on this topic, but the bottom line is really quite simple.  Nazi Germany was defeated by a combination of Soviet manpower and US industrial power.  Yugoslavia was a minor sideshow.  Everything else was post war propaganda intended to cover up for the rest of the Euro-fags disgraceful cowardice.

BTW, American intervention was the only thing that prevented Tito from smashing the Greek Armay after the war and turning Greece into a Yugoslav vassal state.

According to Napoleon, the best soldiers in the world were the Croatians. He was supposed to have said something like “Give me a hundred thousand Croatians and I’ll conquer the world”. It seems he didn’t exagerrate too much. Hungary’s most famous medeival battle against the Turks was fought entirey by Croatians (Battle of Siget). It was a variation of Thermopylae and a very phyrric victory for the Turks in which they even lost their emperor.

The Croatians were the marine corps of the republic of Venice and also gave cause to the very expression marine corps. The Venetians called them “oltramarini”, or ultramarines, meaning troops from overseas.

In WW2, the Croatins were the only non-Germans who were entrusted to fight alonside German soldiers inside the city of Stalingrad.

So, all we need now is 100.000 Croatians…

A Luftwaffe officer who landed a French movie star, survived the war, and attained a high diplomatic posting.  Along with being brave and suave, you’d assume a high level of intelligence.  So what was he doing swimming in a river in the Congo?  My wife once got charged by an alligator in the back of a condo development in the middle of Hilton Head.  Luckily she made it back to the deck safely and I didn’t spill my martini.

Mr. Henry,

Perhaps a brief lapse of judgement?

Under the influence?

Even intelligent people sometimes make unwise decisions and pay the price.

In this case with his life.

The smarter the person the more the dumb decisions stand out.

H.F. Wolff

According to the American Battle Monuments Commission there are 30,426 American dead from World War II buried in 6 cemeteries in France. Some of these brave Americans died because and while the putain was going to the Opera with the enemy.

Mr. Hoermann,

If I remember my industrial history correctly I think that, until the “official” discovery of America in 1492, the Germans got the better deal in the territory.

In Germany were found:

Coal, iron, copper, zinc, tin,gold, silver, clays for fine pottery (china,lumber, all in sufficient quantities to make Germany the technological centre during the middle ages.

The Coal mines in Britain were opened up by German miners imported for that purpose.

With the discovery of the new world the German mines shrank into insignificance size-wise, except for coal.

The furthest south I have been in France is the Loire Valley, to Le Creusot steel works. Very nice country side and pleasant people.  My business interests were stainless steel plate, but we saw armor plate...6 or 8” thick, with bullet holes through it. From a weather perspective you do have a point, agreed.

The TGV from Paris was doing about 300 Km/hr on this trip. Impressive.

H.F. Wolff

Germany was able to annex Austria and much of Czechoslovakia without triggering world war.  The catastrophe of WWII arose from Hitler’s inability to remain satisfied with his very strong position.

H.F. Wolff forgets that if the Hitler regime had had its way, millions more would have
been murdered and we would have a “European Union” dominated by nazi Germany. Much
better this way, thanks!!!

Look-up what “Anschluss” means, in an English-German dictionary, NOT Wikipedia.

That’s what happened with Austria, a voluntary joining with Germany.  After the war of course no-one would own up to this voluntary action, but then who would with a Soviet gun held to their head.

Czechoslovakia was not a country until after WWI and the treaty of Versailles, which gave an area containing 3.5 million or so Austrians/Germans who wanted to REMAIN with Germany.  Nothing illegal with that, especially as Czechoslovakia was an artificial construct.

“Millions would have been murdered” by whom, exactly?  The Soviets complained that they lost, what, 10 or 20 million people in WWII?  If Germany had not fought preemptively against the Soviets all of Europe would be speaking Russian to day (to use a modern-day throw-away missive).

The published goal of Communism is world domination..."Workers of the world unite...” National socialism says nothing of the sort.  As Adolph Hitler said:  “National Socialism is for German speaking people… others need to find their own guiding principles.”

I’m afraid you need to get your history from better sources than war propaganda, comic books, or Hollywood.

H.F. Wolff

Germany fought the Russians “preentively”? I’m sorry, that is an euphemism invented
during the war to mean “attack”. So Germany foutght “preentively” also Poland,
Czechoslokia, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, etc..
Communism was, fortunately, was defeated by itself, and certainly not by Hitler’s armies.
Next you will be telling me that the concentration camps were just a “preentive action”
against the Jews.
I respect the German People very much, but the nazis were a bunch of murderers that
simply hat to be stopped. We can’t forget their crimes, and we can not forget the
Jewish Holocaust, wich sets them apart in a different category, not as simple contenders
in a gentlemen’s war. The nazis perpetrated the greatest crime in history and of course
their territorial gains in Germany had to be undone.
I will not continue this discussion. I herd the arguments before, they did not convince
me then, and they don’t convince me now. We can not ignore what happened to the Jews.

Joao,

“My mind is made up don’t confuse me with facts”, right?

Everything you claim has been thoroughly debunked over the last 65 years, including the allegation that Germany, without provocation, attacked the “peace-loving” Soviet Union.

Unfortunately for you a Colonel in the Soviet armed forces wrote a well-documented book in which he lamented the fact that the Soviet Union lost WWII because it failed in its mission to overrun all of Europe.

He explained the initial massive losses of the USSR by documenting that Stalin had ordered the assembly of mechanized divisions and airforce for this attack on Germany and Europe. This concentration of war material made it easy to destroy.

German military intelligence discovered this mobilization and chose to preemptively attack one month before the scheduled Soviet attack.

The Germans knew full well that this proposition was “iffy” due to the size and quantity of personnel available to the USSR, but even outnumbered this severely the Germans might have prevailed had it not been for the war material supplied by the USA.

A fairly recent study conducted at a university in Britain I think has shown once and for all that Germany/Prussia are the most peace-loving countries in Europe, bar none. At the top of the war mongering list are Britain, and France or Spain.

So you can take your Greuelpropaganda and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

H.F. Wolff

Joao,

What DID happen to the Jews?

Let me see, in 2002 or so the Israeli government is on record for stating that in 2000 one million holocaust survivors were still alive.

In 2005 or so the German government is on record for stating that they were still paying “reparations” to 1.5 million or so “survivors”.

Ignoring the number discrepancy for the moment, actuarial calculations would disclose the number of “survivors” alive in 1945. I know the answer, but you figure it out yourself.

You could also study the official original records of the International Red Cross, which had free access to all German camps.

But perhaps this is all too much for the atrophied gray cells, right?  Much easier to swallow the bunk of the msm and hollywood.

Ignorance is bliss.

H.F. Wolff

Mr. Wolff
I can’t help but notice your enthousiasm for the places “where the sun doesn’t shine”.
Obviously, you don’t know how to have a civilized discussion, so please stick to those
territories of your preference and leave serious matters to serious people.

Joao:

Agreed that my admonition regarding ‘where the sun doesn’t shine’ is over the top and unwarranted, and I apologize for this lapse of judgement.

However, by no stretch of the imagination would one classify your position of:
“...I herd(sic) the arguments before, they did not convince
me then...” as civilized debate.

Every assertion I offer is verifiable, wheras you trotting out old saws long debunked,cannot claim the same.

You, perchance, wouldn’t be one of the holocaust profiteers?

H.F. Wolff

But Mr. Campos, didn’t you know that Germans really loved the Jews, but that this love remained unreciprocated, whereupon they turned into Jew-haters and flirted, and are still flirting, with Arab dictators who are, as we all know, nothing but frustrated lovers of the Jews as well?

Scratch a German, left right or center, and you will find the whining sort that is posting here. They really and truly still think that history treated them unkindly and that the Germans were hijacked by a squad of little evil green man from outer space between 1933 and 1945. Of course they and their parents didn’t run after a low-life housepainter from Austria. No, it’s ALL not their fault.

You can educate yourself or continue to wallow in your ignorance:

By Michael Walsh
10-4-8
http://www.rense.com/general83/dett.htm

H.F. Wolff

A little levity, to break the monotony.

When Hitler came back from the grave the first thing he said was:

“Ok, this time no more Mr. Nice Guy.”

Only in a rather benign Western Civilization can it be said: “There’s enormous power in the victim Role; no power in being the Actual victim.”

If anyone has cultivated a philosophy of victimology for themselves as well as how they ought to be viewed by others it is the Jewish way. The Greeks couldn’t buy it, so they bought into the heroic role of Jesus Christ who overcame the world in the saving myth via his own pursuit of excellence and with divine assistance. I.e. no more Mr. Victim Guy. 

After WWII it was normal in history that to the victor belongs the spoils, as well as the writing of the victor’s version of history. That is normal. What was truly new is that part of the spoils of the victor, now amazingly enough included the victim Role. We not only won and bombed you to rubble, we were also the ‘injured’ party. It’s normal in history to assume that this contains from the victors some exaggeration. As well as the downplaying of some of the victor’s culpability for their share in contributing to the deadly melodrama as well as the other side.

And of course the usual interests on the sidelines made a lot of money.  Modernity for the past 500 years has attempted to circumvent Tradition which has always included the Divine, in attempting now in its hubris known as modern-wisdom to eliminate it.

The 20th Century was the bloodiest in the history of the world, lets hope it doesn’t continue. Maybe we should say a prayer or two, might be the only actually rational thing to do.

Rense! Ich lach ma’n Ast!

http://www.rense.com/general65/aamz.htm

For a whining German, even a nutcase like Rense is a good enough witness. What a sad travesty.

Plain and simple.  We backed the wrong horse in WWII.  And post 9/11 we invaded the wrong MidEast country.

Editrix:
You seem to be a product of post war German masochism education. We can forgive youfor that, but why do you have to use dismissive slurs (albeit in mis-spelled German)to defend your indefensible position? Why not contribute facts and real logical thinking?