“We may deplore it, but it cannot justify war with Russia.”

But try deploring the Russian intervention in some paleoconservative fora, and you will be
denounced.

Isn’t this exactly what the British did to bring the United States
into World Wars I and II?  Wasn’t this the task of the Brit William
Wiseman during World War I and of the Canadian William Stephenson before
World War II?  Wasn’t Stephenson ordered by SIS to the U.S. in order to
hoodwink Americans through and by all kinds of devious means to insure
that America would save Britain’s abject rashness in declaring war on
Germany in September 1939?  Didn’t all of the internationalists and
interventionists in and out of the U.S. government go along with the
conspiracy, especially, FDR?  So what’s new?  The present occupant of
the White House and those contending for it in November 2008 are just
being loyal to a long established policy: deceiving the American people.
I see no hope of it ever changing before we fall over the edge into the
abyss of national oblivion.  In a way, I look forward to that day.  Then,
maybe, sanity and common sense and devotion to the Law of God will be
restored.

Those who sell out America for the neocons are traitors.

buchanan is correct but the mainstream media will never cover this.  in fact, they will make the guy out to be some sort of freedom fighter or genius. I watched “the trials of henry kissinger” the other day and the media and even the general public were just infatuated with the guy.  theres just no sense about this stuff

It’s good to finally see Buchanan attack the McCain. Keep it up Pat. Yet despite al the is know about McCain, he is still doing well in polls. He’s surrounded by a team of traitors. And his one and only interest is getting Americans killed in unnecessary wars. Palecons really need to think about what they are doing if they settle for McCain-Lieberman. It’ll be another neo-con administration but this one on steriods.

Jupiter................They colapse the economy, form food lines, blame another nation for it, and simultaneusly have a false flag attack...............and the comon man’s children run towards war instead of Washington!

Well Tobias. President McCain is ready to call up the draft and start a full scale nuclear war with Russia so we can finally whip them Rooskies. As I understand it the Russians have said if we start dropping smart bombs and missiles and other high-tech wiz bangs they are going to start launching nukes.

Thank God we have a far sighted President who has implemented a foolproof ABM system to knock down those thousands of Russian warheads. Hopefully they will only target the useless Old Europe and our friends in Poland and Romania will be safe.

The only assumption the Russians can make is launch on warning. ABMs are designed to stop a response to a preemptive war on the US side which is part of our first strike our policy. They can’t match US technology so conventional attack is as big a threat as a first strike missile attack. With Georgia ready to cross the line to regain their imaginary province we will automatically be at war with Russia.

But we will prevail. Probably no more than 150 Million, 200 million dead tops and Europe fried. Hopefully we will also nuke Iran in the process so Israel will be safe.

Great column by Pat.  How many Neo-Cons are dual citizens? How many of the DC elite -consultants, campaign managers, Trade Reps, Cabinet members, have received foreign money or plan to become lobbyists for a foreign country after they retire?  Isn’t Lott a lobbyist for foreign countries? I know Phil Graham works for a Swiss Bank and made millions as a foreign lobbyist.

heath- lol what did they do?

Too many freebooters on K Street make too much money to have this kind of patently unethical behavior called “Treason”. What is also interesting is the rampant nepotism amongst official and private consulting Washington as well as the unceasing parade of former government appointees or retiring elected officials marching from Pennsylvania Avenue or the Pentagon to a big cash job on K Street.

Government is really one of the few things seeing steady growth in this cockeyed farrago of a lapsed Republic. Thanks to Mr. Buchanan for calling this pernicious thing what it is.

As much as we detest the Jacobins, one can almost see the humor in erecting a guillotine on Lafayette Square, announcing a 24 hour round-up of anyone employed in this kind of thing and then stand back and watch the rats scurry in frightful abandon. It would make one hell of a Reality Television Show called “Lose Your Head!”.

As usual, Mr. Buchanan is correct in his analysis of the situation at hand.

Nevertheless the practice decried by him and others is just “business as usual” in USA political circles.

My personal avocational interest is modern European history; knowing the USA’s involvement in that leads me to the conclusion it has been thus since the founding of the republic.

Fortunately the internet made possible the wide dissemination of news and background information.

Question: FOR HOW LONG???

Is there technology in the wings that could counter any attempts by government to curtail internet news & opinion?

H.F. Wolff

heath- well, hitler certainly didn’t “look out for” the jews but he still venerated the state and state murder as acceptable statecraft and so forth.  there was a “big government” virus that hit us in the 20th century that we have yet to shake off.  some of the court intellectuals were jews, but that’s because jews are smart.  I mean, nixon was the president not kissinger.  they didn’t force people to buy his kissengers horrible books they did it of their own volition.  people are the problem in general, not just one religious group.  misanthropy, not anti semetism

Israel Shamir & Gilad Atzmon both Jewish have pointed two things out about Jewish behaviour, one admirable
and the other not. 1.) jews look out for their own especially when inside the larger non-jewish society. 2.) jews don’t give a damn about anyone else. That’s why I point out as well a ntion is its culture. So it is silly to imagine that a nation can have another culture in its midst and not be torn asunder. If you continue to imagine that you can, then these kinds of things are going to happen over and over and over again. A person and thus a group can no more give up the culture they were brought up in than a zebra can lose its stripes.

That “None dare call it Treason” is hardly surprising given that both houses of Congress are filled with representatives that are beholden to the Israeli lobby without whose support and certification they stand no chance of election.
That is why impeachment is “off the Table”
Saving the future also seems “off the Table”.
It is clear that the strategy being pursued by the neocons is not only detrimental to the future of the U.S. but is catastrophic for the future of Israel. As the U.S. influence is being sapped, the opponents of Israel in Syria and Lebanon and Iran are being strengthened as a consequence of the policies being pursued by the neocons. What is truly surprising is that there is no broad informed opposition to their policies from the highly eductated communities in Israel and the U.S. who should be able to see what is on the horizon.
Even a “flegdling” democracy like Pakistan has moved to impeach when the public went against the dictator. The U.S. public appears to have no such freedoms.
Now as we watch the meltdown od the financial system where the only way out is to sell what is left to our enemies the magnitude of the follies are mind boggling.
Here is another None dare: None dare speak of the causal links between the neocon policies and the fate of the financial system....

well, Jeff, it seems that Atzmon and Shamir have done what you say can’t be done.

The problem is not a Jewish one. Lobbying for ANY foreign government hurts this country and should be banned. The Sellout to foreign powers is NOT just about Israel.  How many “Free-traders” are in fact paid lobbyists of foreign corporations? Quite a few, including Jack Kemp and Mike Murphy.

Mr. Buchannan:
I applaud your integrity and courage to speak truth to power.

If you had written a similar story about a presidential contender in say Pakistan, by now the Pakistani press networks would have hundres of reporters outside his house and all the talk shows would be discussing whether such a revelation is grounds for disbarment from competing in the elections.
But you are a rose in the desert and the Presidency is sold to the highest bidder and Israel has had that sowed up for 50 years.
Now the next act of courage woul be to tell the American people that they live in a colonized land and the declaration of independence is moot as we love being colonized.
Cheers:)

Just a few words about Latvia that Americans don’t know. Latvia was a part of Russia until 1917. Latvian military units (riflemen)were created during WWI as a part of Russian army. In 1917 Latvian units unanimously supported Bolsheviks. They played crucial role in Bolshevik revolution, being Lenin’s personal guard and guarded his headquaters. They also took part in Russian civil war. Many commanders of the Red Army came from Latvian riflemen.

Also, just FYI, Dzerzhinski, the creator of CheKa (later KGB) was Polish. Stalin was Georgian and Khrushev and Brezhnev were Ukrainians. Ukrainian anarchysts by command of Nestor Makhno also played crucial role in Civil war, fighting on communists side.

Well, if Europe is “fried”, Britain won’t have to worry about blowing the Olympics in four years’ time.

I’m not sure I can go all the way with Mr. Buchanan’s thinking.  I think it is deplorable that the U.S. has pushed NATO down Russia’s throat, but it Russia without fault?
What would be Mr. Buchanan’s “line in the sand” to an aggressive, expansionist Russia (if that is what she is)?  Would Berlin be reason for war?  Paris?  London?

Perhaps the dividing line ought to be the distinction between Latin, western Christendom and Eastern Orthodox Christendom.  Perhaps spheres of influence would make more sense.

Re; Rutowicz ....
...."but is Russia without fault?”

This is the crux of the issue........violating the advice of cooler heads, including that dispensed by Washington in his Farewell Address, we have fallen prey to energetic meddling and geopolitical favoritism. All sides in this Georgian Conflict have some horror stories to tell but what the American Smokescreen obscures from the public is that this country played a very large role in provoking the Russians to act....and in the process, exposing our essential weakness in dealing with them. Now, we are graduating from provocation to building and institutionalizing the enemy. The Neo-Con Military Industrial Complex have their Cold War back and the fear grows.

The amazing thing is that these swindlers, thugs, rubes and sycophants don’t need Meth to achieve a kind of Meth Head Weirdness writ large. The American citizen is robbing his own house.

Going from long time enemy to a friend is a delicate well choreographed dance. Even though the Russinas had few cards we needed to back away slowly and reach our hand out in friendship or at least in mutual respect like we did to China.

For whatever reason, we did not do the dance. We continued to make provacative moves on Russia, all the time claiming we were friends, and assuming Russian alarm was some kind mental disorder that they would soon get over. You cannot continually humiliate a proud people and expect them to forever take it.

My only hope is that either McCain is lying or Obama gets in and trashes this Russophobic nonsense. Maybe with a new direction in 15 or 20 years we can be where we should have been 10 years ago.

Mr. Sabin,

I agree with everything you’ve said, and I almost always agree with Mr. Buchanan.  I agree that we have been sticking our thumb in Russia’s eye for many years now.  I don’t blame them one bit for being angry over Kosovo, I’m angry over it.  The Russians don’t want to be surrounded by NATO.  That is a perfectly rational attitude on their part. 
The thing that bothers me is this: what if Vladimir Putin does have designs on numerous other countries?  (I’m not saying he does.  I don’t know what Putin’s plans are.)
We might say that who controls South Ossetia is not our business and no reason for war with Russia, and I would agree.
But what if he does want to retake Latvia?  It is an insignificant country on Russia’s border, that’s true, but it is part of the Latin west.  What if he wants Poland?  Granted, they are not the center of the universe, but we are getting closer to the center of Europe.  What if he wants Berlin?  I’m not saying this is a likely scenario, but we are talking about U.S. interests.  It is in America’s interest not to needlessly antagonize Russia.  But would it not also be in America’s interest not to see European countries fall back under Russian domination?
I only bring up the question because I think Mr. Buchanan does have a “line in the sand” in his mind.  While Georgia may be none of our business, I don’t think Mr. Buchanan would hold the same position if we were talking about Dusseldorf or Donnegal.

No more Georgian lobbyists and no more AIPAC traitors.  Hang ‘em all and hang ‘em high.

Timon the Whinger:

Whinge away.  Buchanan said we may deplore the invasion of Georgia.  He also says we should
not go to war over it.  I also say we shouldn’t go to war over it.  But I do deplore the
invasion.  And I stated that merely deploring the invasion—even without proposing to
do anything about it, and I haven’t proposed anything—would merit rebuke on some
paleoconservative fora.  And you rebuked me.  As my position is “the Russian invasion
was deplorable,” apparently you find this position alone, sans any proposal to respond
belligerently, to be verboten.  Thank you for confirming my point. 

I did not defend McCain, or the neocons, or Saakashvili, did I?  So reading me a list
of their misdeeds is not going to make me stop deploring the Russian invasion.  Just
because my position is different from yours, does not mean that I am a neocon (though I’m
starting to think they avoid some of the errors paleocons fall into).  “America
First” does not equal “Russophilia.”

Great points, Mr. Rutowicz!  Personally, I am starting to get sick of some of Buchanan’s
rhetoric.

Dimitri wrote:  “Just a few words about Latvia that Americans don’t know. Latvia was a part of Russia until 1917. Latvian military units (riflemen)were created during WWI as a part of Russian army. In 1917 Latvian units unanimously supported Bolsheviks. They played crucial role in Bolshevik revolution, being Lenin’s personal guard and guarded his headquaters. They also took part in Russian civil war. Many commanders of the Red Army came from Latvian riflemen.

Also, just FYI, Dzerzhinski, the creator of CheKa (later KGB) was Polish. Stalin was Georgian and Khrushev and Brezhnev were Ukrainians. Ukrainian anarchysts by command of Nestor Makhno also played crucial role in Civil war, fighting on communists side.”

First, your English is generally good, but you need to brush up on the English definite
article “the.”

You ignore the fact that Latvia became Russian territory only in the 1700s.  The Latvians are not
ethnically Russian.  They are not even Slavs.  They are a Baltic people, who have been
ruled at various times by the Germans, Poles, and Swedes.  Good for them that they now
are independent.

Treason is aiding and abetting Americas enemies in time of war. If I were a populist, I would say that is what Pat has been doing vis-a-vis Al Qaeda in Iraq and Iran for years.
As they say, those is glass houses…

RonL:

“I have seen the enemy and he is us”.

The REAL enemies of the USA are those of foreign/divided loyalties working to the detriment of the USA, and who now occupy the seats of power in Washington DC.

It is these “Americans” who would label speaking the truth as treason. Included are those of the tribe of the ‘Chosen Few’ plus those bribed or bought to facilitate this corrosive and detrimental action.

Look about you and critique the actions of the USA government: When was the last time those worthies passed legislation that was in the best interest of the nation and its tax payers???

This malaise unfortunately affects all western countries, but the USA appears to have acquired this disease to a greater and more detrimental effect.

Direct your anger and criticism at those deserving it:  Those plotting, in Washington DC, against the interests of the USA.

H.F. Wolff

Mr. Wolff,
I am probably wasting my time here. Nonethless, I find it laughable to suggest that Zionists or (as you have actually suggested) Jews have run America on the basis of Israeli or Jewish interests.
Is it in Israel’s interest for the US to give military assistance to its current or former (more like one-bullet away from being resumed) enemies (Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon?) Is it in Israel’s interst that the Us is pressing Israel to appease te Hizbullah dominated regime in Lebanon pressing for Israel to give up land beyond international borders?
Speaking of land, the whole Peace Process, which was started after the Oil Lobby Gulf War in 1991, which has seen the US join Russia and Eurabia in pusing Land for Terrorism? Or is it in the interest of Jews or Israel to have the US push for and increasingly Islamist Turkey placed in the EU?

Or what of domestic policies like taxes and immigration? Do importing Latinos and Muslims, neither of whome seem to like Jews, help Jews or Israel? Does the progressive income tax, which disproportionately taxes Jews, because we tend to do well, help us?

You confuse leftism with Jewish interest and ignore all evidence to the contrary. You are in a symbiotic relationship, empower the very leftists of Jewish descent you claim to hate.
Is that “controlled opposition” or useful idiot?

RonL,

You are correct on this point: You ARE wasting your time with your efforts to obfuscate the issues I raised in my earlier post.

Let me illustrate with one issue close at home: Uncontrolled movement of illegal aliens into the USA. 

Your point that these illegals don’t like Jews is totally irrelevant to the illegality and harm done to the USA.  Do you really think that it matters one iota to the “Chosen Few” whether the illegal aliens like or dislike them?  The social/business circles of these groups does not exactly overlap!

What is being achieved is the undermining of the legal system, rising crime rates, depression of wages, bankrupting of social services, higher taxes, animosity in the streets, division and dissent in the populace such that nobody trusts their neighbour.

This is what is being achieved; if you wish to claim that this is in the best interest for our society, you are entitled to your opinion.

The rationale for this action and achievement? 
You have heard of the expression ‘divide and conquer’?

A divided populace is much easier to control and manipulate to the advantage of the war mongers. And a divided people is also much less likely to form a united front against the real traitors in Washington DC.

The remainder of your irrelevant issues can similarly be demolished.

H.F. Wolff

HF Wolff,
I am wasting my time with you. I looked you up and your Nazi and Islamist apologetics elsewhere speak for themselves.

However, there are other people here and I rather not let your poison go unanswered.

In trying to demolish me, you have made my ppoint in spades.

“Your point that these illegals don’t like Jews is totally irrelevant to the illegality and harm done to the USA.  Do you really think that it matters one iota to the “Chosen Few” whether the illegal aliens like or dislike them?  The social/business circles of these groups does not exactly overlap!”

But the global elites are not Jewish even if some happen to be of Jewish descent. The Trans-national Socialists and Trans-national Corporatists act in their own self interest, undermining nationalism and group identity. What could be more of an anathema to Jews?

Look back at the Crown Hieghts pogrom of of the Dinkins years. There leftist and 3-day a year Jews yelled “there not my type of Jews” when telling Dinkins to do nothing, even as the Afro-Caribbean immigrants let loose on an Orthodox community.

So please, do “demolish me”, and prove every point I make.

RonL,

Hmmm, rather disjointed babble, your last post.

But that’s ok, you have the last word.

H.F. Wolff

“Is it in Israel’s interest for the US to give military assistance to its current or former (more like one-bullet away from being resumed) enemies (Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon?)”

To be fair, US military aid to the Saudis and Gulf States is fairly irrelevant to Israel’s security - while these regimes have funded enemies of Israel and lobbed vitriol and UN resolutions at the Jewish state, they have so far not fired a single shot directly.

It also doesn’t help to subdue the Jewish-conspiracy folks that the Israeli press carries on and on about how many Jews sit in the US Congress now and may after the election, with added detail about the Israel-friendliness of each, etc.

Denying the influence of ADL, AIPAC & cie. isn’t really helpful, because it’s really there; it should rather be pointed out that it is one lobbying bloc among many. It wasn’t too long ago, tobacco companies could move more votes in Washington than “the Jews” (the ones we tend to hear gripes about are usually armchair Likudniks that don’t know much about life in Israel, I think)

Yeah, like anybody pays any attention to US officials.  I just read that Rice told the Israeli foreign minister: “I don’t think the settlement activity is helpful to the process”.  I wonder why she bothers.  Is she so deluded as to imagine that her opinions carry any weight?  Ditto for Abhazia and South Ossetia.  She will froth at the mouth, but Putin will have his way.  Then she’ll go shoe-buying.

RonL is just an anagram for NROL:  National Review on Line.  Ignore him.  Where have Andy Capp and CaptainChaos gone?  Censored?  If they don’t know this, one is blocked not by email address but by IP address.  Get on a friend’s computer and fire away.  We miss you both.

Is there technology in the wings that could counter any attempts by government to curtail internet news & opinion?

H.F. Wolff

Posted by H.F. Wolff on Aug 22, 2008.

Our last line of defense against government is in the jury room.  That’s where we can defend our Republic when politics fail.  We must draw inspiration from the words of the late, great Michael “Red Mike” Quill and figuratively tell the judge to drop dead in his/her black robes, by voting our consciences and ignoring his/her admonition to “follow my instructions,” as is our right, going back to R. vs. William Penn.  Use your search engine to learn about FIJA, the Fully Informed Jurors Association.

Mr. Maruska,

Jury nullification is a fascinating subject; when I first read about it I was astounded by the power of the jury…

But, when was the last time there was a serious case of jury nullification?

With the ‘dumbing down’ of the populace, and the lawyer’s penchant to often pick juries from the shallow end of the gene pool, it would take a small miracle indeed to change direction of the government’s course.

Sometimes though, when things look bleakest, a radical change is in the offing.  Lets hope this is the case now.

H.F. Wolff

*But, when was the last time there was a serious case of jury nullification?*

I’m sure there are more recent ones, but OJ comes readily to mind.  Not the best example for the movement, perhaps, but surely the most well-known.