Jack Hunter

Progressives’ California Dreamin’

Posted by Jack Hunter on November 17, 2008

In electing Barack Obama, many liberals thought we might be closer to an America where race wouldn’t matter. But for California progressives, the same election proved that race mattered more than ever. California’s gay marriage ban referendum, known as Proposition 8, passed 52-48%. While whites narrowly opposed the ban 51-49%, blacks overwhelmingly supported the measure 70-30%. The trouncing of gay marriage by blacks was a reminder that while they might vote Democrat as a matter of race, inheritance and perhaps economics, African-Americans consistently remain socially conservative. So does America’s largest minority: Hispanics voted for Prop. 8, 53-47%. Social liberalism has always been a white man’s gig, and the more progressive the politics, the more Caucasian the constituency. The racial make-up of the typical Green Party meeting looks like a hippy version of the standard GOP gathering. And an increasingly multi-ethnic America could be as suicidal for gay marriage as it might be for the Republican Party.


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The racial make-up of the typical Green Party meeting looks like a hippy version of the standard GOP gathering.

This would be the same Green Party that nominated a Cynthia Mckinney/Rosa Clemente ticket for the 2008 presidential race?

Posted by B.B. on Nov 17, 2008.

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B.B.,

Yep. The Greens are just as white as the GOP that once elected J.C. Watts, cheered Alan Keyes and might be headed by Michael Steele.

Jack

Another excellent piece from Jack Hunter.

Meanwhile, the disgusting figures of the totalitarian cultural left are demanding the forced expulsion of blacks, Catholics, Mormons and other social conservatives which thwarted the militant homosexual agenda: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/11/14/roseanne-barr-prop-8-backers-gulag-go

Daniel,

i share your disdain for the cultural left.

I think you’re mistaken, though, in assuming the author of this piece does.

I think, rather, he refers to them as “progressives”.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the southern avenger is mad at all the immigrants and blacks who thwarted the liberal activist courts attempt to impose gay marriage.

Again, i may be wrong, but it seems the author is one of them “log cabin” republicans.

Notice he concludes with ...< ...if there is to be any hope for gay marriage...>>.

Posted by paddy on Nov 17, 2008.

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Another fine piece.  You point out one of the glaring hypocracies of the left.  Liberals would be well advised to also realize that you can not have both open borders and environmentalism, you can not have both multi-culturalism and feminism, and you can not have both social engineering and civil liberties.

For the record, I oppose “gay marriage.” Homosexual marriage is ridiculous,
largely because of the innate differences between males and
females. But the matter is negligible compared to all the
problems and outright horrors caused by massive Third-World
immigration and the presence of almost a hundred million
blacks, “hispanics,” Arabs and Muslims.

Let’s massively increase non-European immigration, lets bring
in tens of millions of devout Catholics from Mexico, tens of
millions of Christians from Africa, and millions of Muslims to
stop the enormity of “gay marriage.” That will advance the cause of
“social conservatism” and save Western civilization.

How much of black opposition to “gay marriage” is a reflection of
“social conservatism.” Take a poll of black and “Latino” criminals
and gangsters. I would bet that 90-95% of them oppose “gay marriage.”

Posted by SK on Nov 17, 2008.

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SK,

what do you think a poll of WHITE criminals and gangsters would reveal?

My guess is that such a poll would show:

1- WHITE criminals and gangsters are far richer

2- WHITE criminals and gangsters usually wear suits and have chauffeurs

3-WHITE criminals and gangsters, being of the Wall street elitist crowd, would probably be in favour of gay marriage.

Posted by paddy on Nov 17, 2008.

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But lets not forget the leftists’ optimism.

Once we get all these minorities college degrees thanks to financial aid, they, too, will become radical lefties. And trust me, “educated” immigrants are just as far left, if not more, than “educated” non-immigrants.

But in reality, the end of America as a land of opportunity will take care of immigration. Old age will take care of the last white conservatives. White Americans tend to become homosexual far more than any one else. So the inevatable disappearance of whites will turn homosexuality again into a minority activty.

It would be interesting to see what percentage of blacks and Mexicans voted for Prop.4 (the parental notification measure). It lost by a narrow margin.

Vero. Asians went 57-43 yes, latinos were 53-47, blacks 51-47 and whites went 45-55 on Prop 4. So it was defeated by whites.

Its not about race its about marriage.

What you are saying is blacks are more conservative on this single issue, marriage between man and woman, than whites?

I fail to see how race is the issue here.

Posted by Jet on Nov 17, 2008.

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Another good, concise piece from the S.A.

What’s really depressing about Mr Hunter’s voting figures is that forty seven per cent (I had to read that twice) of Hispanics voted in favor of this monstrous measure.  The blame for that tragedy can be placed squarely in the lap of the Catholic Church, which for nearly two generations has essentially abandoned its moral teachings - and is itself, because of that dereliction of duty, suffering from an infestation of homosexuals into its priesthood unprecedented in its 2,000 year old history.

Finally one does wish that at least the writers on this site would refrain from using that tiresome term “gay” to describe the unspeakable vice of buggery.  As Joe Sobran famously noted: “There is nothing gay about one man sticking his generative organ into another man’s execratory one.” The fact that so many otherwise intelligent people have adopted that word speaks volumes about the mess we are in.

Didn’t you know gay rights is Stuff that White People Like?

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/03/14/88-having-gay-friends/

Posted by Noel on Nov 17, 2008.

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Paddy @ #4, please consider whether or not the author was speaking ironically. (BTW, I dislike irony in discourse: Life throws enough irony at one through adventitious combination of circumstances. Human-created irony is like static in two-way radio communication.)

“Progressive” derives from “progress,” which in turn goes back to the Latin verb (3rd conj., deponent) progradior, which means “[to] go forward.” Now, “forward” admits of three construals, two of which generate questions:

A. Toward a goal. (Why that goal?)

B. Away from a point of departure. (Why depart?)

C. Continued motion in direction wherein one’s nose is pointing.

Mr. Canell @ #5, thank you for a splendid example of irony resulting from adventitious circumstance.

Jet @ #11: Hear, hear - Well said.

A multi-lingual friend, horrified by Congressman Rohrabacher’s proposal to amend the Constitution to strike out requirement that the President be “natural born” whereby to benefit the Governator of California—that selfsame who told opponents of Proposition 8 not to give up hope—called the Governator, “Herr Schwanzesser.” I could not stop laughing for five minutes.

This is exactly why I don’t fear the immigration wave.  Yes its culturally different from WASP America, but that is a good thing. 

These hordes of Hispanics are Catholic with deep reverence for the Blessed Sacrament.  While the WASPs are caught up in their own Messianism, they forget that the Hispanic world grew out of Western Civilization too, and they might be our last hope in defending against the Post Christian age.

This is an ever bigger problem in European countries such as the Netherlands. The liberals are going to have problems pushing their gay marriage idea with an increasingly muslim population. It clearly will be no contest, the effete liberals stand zero chance against anyone other than perhaps white conservatives.

Very good article!......With such a large military industrial complex in place during an economic downturn, the reasonable solution is to arm the gays and send them to South Central L.A. !

If they win, we can offer them jobs as border gaurd officers.

Posted by roho on Nov 18, 2008.

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“African-Americans consistently remain socially conservative” as opposed to decadent whites. That’s why blacks commit roughly half of violent crimes albeit they make up only 13% of the population; or, put differently, why they commit violent crimes at roughly 10 times the white rate. That’s why 70% of black children are illegitimate. That explains the widespread abuse of alcohol and cocaine and heroine and the horrendous “crack epidemic” of the 1990s. That explains the high rates of joblessness and welfare dependency. That explains the rampant promiscuity in the black inner cities, though not of the homoerotic variety.

Generally, on most issues, blacks are the most left-wing group in America. A majority of blacks might have voted against “gay marriage,” often for reasons that have little or nothing to do with “social conservatism,” but almost 95% of blacks voted for Barack Hussein Obama, a cultural Marxist and radical leftist who supports “gay marriage” and every other left-liberal policy and ukase.

Posted by SK on Nov 18, 2008.

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Nearly 54% of the Catholic vote went to Barack Obama, who supports homosexual proclivities.

Any leftist who isn’t also a Eurocentrist is engaged in an exercise of self-deception.  This is even more obviously true in Europe, with their Islamist invaders.  In any event, my wife and I, as a pair of California voters (both part of the approximately one in five who voted “Yes” on 8, but against McCain/Palin), have never in all our lives been more thankful for the 15th Amendment.  Although I’m sure we’ll get over that.