the neocons are in the same position as libertarians right now, more or less excluded from the debate on current issues.  the only thing they can hope for is that some pundit or senator will accidentaly regurgitate one of their talking points.  same with libertarians though.  pat buchanan may have similar foreign policy views and glenn baeck is similarly cynical about the federal reserve and so forth, but no one who has both of those views.

It’s more than the neo cons wwho are on their way out thuogh.  the hottest group of rising stars are jim cramer and the cnbc crowd.  so wall street in, beltway out, what a big step sideways

Not only our tax dollars go to fund the settlements but the lives of our service men and women.  In Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, Israel Shahak and Norton Mevinsky document how the agenda and policies of both Labour and Likud governments are determined by folks like the hardy Hebron settlers and their welcome wagons.

I suppose one should take great pains to spin out infinite distinctions between American policy and Israeli policies and neocons and Hebron settlers but the only one that occurs to me is trivial or even illusory.  While the latter might seem to deserve some credit for actually getting out there and killing people, they operate under the protection of the Israeli Defense Forces.  Their Tazmanian devil dog shtick is handicapped as it were.

Imagine living with hundreds of armed Krauthammers!

Bush is incompetent and very into cronyism.  But that’s not an essential part of the neoconservative vision.  It only amplifies its inherent trajectory to failure. 

If Bush had MacArthur or Abrams or Petraus (back in ‘03) commanding our armed forces, Perot in charge of the border, and Pat as his press secretary, things still would have gone terribly wrong. 

By way of analogy, socialism got to work with some pretty decent human material in the form of the East Germans--meticulous, hard-working, and honest.  It still failed miserably, because the principles on which it was built were faulty.  The same is true with the global democratic revolutionary ideology the neoconservatives.

There was another big campaign fundraiser at a Spencer House, the other famous one in Dallas, TX where my parents reside. The guest of honor at this much posher function was not McCain but RON PAUL. My parents’ place is little bit more modest than the London residence, though it features a pool and multiple golden retrievers.

Neocons have dominated the GOP by accessing huge money caches and establishing bases in the most influential ateliers of the information industry, with apparent inevitability based on the shifty conceit of their self-fabricated intellectual validity. Of course, it would be better for all of us if their “intellectually” vetted schemes actually functioned successfully – at least, in the interests of THIS country.

No one is less a neocon than the Jews who have returned to Hebron after the 1929 massacre.
These are deeply religious Jews who believe in nationalism, something neocons don’t.
But for those who hate Israel screaming neocon trumps logic.

Just like these false isolationists, but real Dhimmi, support a US-imposed “peace treaty"/Hudna.

This comment is somewhat tangential to the issue of this blog, but I am still waiting for a takimag writer to critique substantively the idiocy of drawing a straight line between orthodox Judaism and secularized Judaism, a project which is ironically common to both leftist intellectuals (like Michael Walzer) and anti-semites.  Claiming that neocons are deeply religious Jews is about as plausible as claiming that Clinton and Obama are deeply orthodox Christians.

“Claiming that neocons are deeply religious Jews is about as plausible as claiming that Clinton and Obama are deeply orthodox Christians.”

Jewish-American Neocons may not be deeply religious Jews, but they are deeply racialist Jews with a strong Jewish racial consciousness, which is consistent with their open-borders-internationalism-everywhere-but-Israel stance and their efforts to hoodwink the West into believing Israel (with no constitution and institutionalized racial laws) is a Western style democracy. As Jewish Neocons see it, racial consciousness in anyone other than a Jew makes for a Nazi, whereas Jewish racial consciousness makes Jews a nobility. It is one of many internal contradictions of Neoconservatism and Neocon foreign policy that made their demise inevitable.

Chris,

Neoconservative Jews are liberals who make inconsistant decisions to support America and Israel in certain cases, usually as tools of democratism. Neocons are not serious racialists. They would never support the expulsion of most Muslims from Israel or America.

They are no more Israeli nationalists than American ones, but becuae of thier inconsistancies, some pathologically hate Israel, joinging and using communist language (Justin).

By all means call neocons on their double standards, but shouldn’t the goal be to support a conservative end like love of tradition and country rather than hating neocons for loving some tradtions?

RonL,
I don’t begrudge Jewish Zionist Neocons their Jewish traditions. But I begrudge them trying to pass off Jewish Zionist interests as American interests; I begrudge them conflating Israel with the Christian West, and agitating for a Western clash of civilizations with Islam.

Jewish-American Neocons are obviously confused, politically schizophrenic people, and their confused identity is self-evident in their policies. At their core, they seem to carry within them a profound hatred of the Christian tradition, which has moderated slightly as they moved from Marxist Trotskyism to left-liberalism to Neoconservatism/Neoliberalism; but for various reasons (not all of them irrational) that hatred will always be there. If defenders of Western civilization are to preserve their own Christian traditions, they must confront this type. 

Jewish ideologues should quit trying to manipulate and hoodwink Americans into fighting their Jewish Zionist battles, which seems to be the motive at the core of so many Neocon-engineered policies. In addition to being fundamentally dishonest, it also reflects poorly on Judaism. Those Jews that simply can’t abide the Christian tradition should utilize Israel instead of going through all manner of elaborate political ideologies and schemes to subvert and destroy it. Everyone would be better off.

For one last time, neocons are liberals in conservative drag.

It is perhaps unimportant and irrelevant, but I find it remarkable that the liberals from certain elite New York circles morphed into neocons just about the time the international left took up the Palestinian cause.

<i>They would never support the expulsion of most Muslims from Israel or America.</i.

Ah, I have never heard a neocon say one bad work about Avi Liebermann.  Avi was also a welcomed speaker at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in the Brookings Institution.

That said, neocons are very much for maintaining and increasing the Jewish majority in Israel and would only allow additional immigration of Muslims into Israel over their dead bodies, and would certainly also fight substantial non-jewish immigration into Israel.

This is in stark contrast to immigration, including Muslim immigration, into American and Europe, which neocons either support or are essentially silent, other than Mark Styen, who just describes it but never proposes we do anything about it.

RonL, you are a shill.

Even as many Americans have a fair and positive view of Israel, many of these same people do not want to be embroiled in its wars.  But times are changing.  Even if we can expose neoconservatives as migsuided, dishonest ethnic chauvinists, what will we do with all of the irrational Evangelicals trying to usher in Armageddon?  In the 1980s Jerry Falwell was saying, “God doesn’t hear the prayers of a Jew” and conversion projects were in full swing.  Today you see Evangelicals with Israeli flags saying Jews don’t need Jesus.  It’s optional, apparently. 

Look, this is America you can believe in God, Jesus, or nothing.  We’re a Christian nation, but we’ve always been pretty welcoming to internal and external people that are different, so long as they are loyal and discrete.  Rearranging Christianity and American foreign policy to support Judaism and an explicitly Jewish state, however, is a formula for mass antipathy once the lies and distortions are revealed to the light of day.

IIRC, lounge suit is the British term for black tie/tuxedo.

Wait a minute - i did not recall correctly - lounge suit is britspeak for business suit (dark, not light) or cocktail attire (for ladies).

Oh, G-d, yoo gotta love the chutzpah to crash the Gen’s party.. I wana do it tooo.........On a more serious note, What I want to know, How MANY of the dozen neos pictured above hold dual nationality??

Quote from Roach: “Rearranging Christianity and American foreign policy to support Judaism and an explicitly Jewish state, however, is a formula for mass antipathy once the lies and distortions are revealed to the light of day.”

I find idea that people would care enough about the lies to be move to antipathy suspect. Do folks even have a enough of sense of Christian identity to understand our national and culture interest in those terms?

I hope Roach is right and I want to see some antipathy and it can be better than apathy conceding that the two are not necessarily exclusive.