Where the hell is Le Pen when you need him?

Not to worry, our Christian Faith grounded as it is in tolerance and universalism will no doubt save us from the secularized version of tolerance and universalism of non-believers!  If only we will all return to the Pope and our Pastors who will help us exorcise these infidels from our midst, or far better simply convert them into multi-cultural law abiding God fearing tolerant mindless consumer-driven Christians just like us.

Sarkozy is incorrect.  It is sadly a hubris born of immaturity yet on his part.

I don’t have enough time except to reprint below a note to a friendly acquaintance that pertains to this matter.

Here it is now my note to a friend:

Jim - I said it as “george” on the old sf site:  “It’s closer than conscious thought that people identify with their own kind.  It’s not a bad thing as long as one is aware of it.  As Jesus Christ is said, to have said: ‘if we cannot love what we see, how can we love what we do not see?’ …

The germane point is we have more certitude (security) in seeing something, when we look at our own, who are more similar to us than different.

Than we do, when we look at those who are more similar to us than different, but LESS so.

We’re ALL more similar than different, but it’s a world of degrees of difference and similarity.

And those degrees are big (i.e. matter, important, impactful.)

Because of my (half) White man/European genes, in say contradistinction with my (half) Semitic/Middle Eastern genes and because of our shared religious heritage i.e. Western culture, I tend very strongly to be more identified with you.

However I also feel very stongly identified with the Semitic side of the equation. 

I *know both camps, both worlds personally (nature/genetically), and because of all of the relatives (nurture/culture), both sides of the ledger.

I *know as a result of this, the Semitic are an older (i.e. genetically/nature) more mature people.  While paradoxically due to culture/nurture/i.e. religion the White Man/European is curiously and presently more mature in THAT cultural regard. 

That apparently is the great boon apparently For the White Man of Christianity, it’s value.  As well as Greek culture being a boon.  All of Western Civilization is, as a matter of *fact, based on the Greeks and on Christianity.

Especially if not talking about the Greeks or the Italians now - even the Italians as you noticed have also already an ‘instinct’ for civilization… which other western europeans are not so up to speed with the Italians (yet) by comparison, in terms of that having become a knee-jerk and salutary instinct.  (Let me add here Sarkozy being a good example of not yet having the salutary and necessary instinct.)

The Italians are less likely to question ’stuff’ about xianity for example because they instinct or intuit it’s close enough for jazz.  Since what they feel is really important is how it works and does work on the civilizational level.  They’re mature both now genetically and culturally - and so more so on balance than the Semitic, even though genetically the Semitic are an older [reading] group.

The French are right behind the Italians in my opinion in terms of slowly arriving at genetic maturity, as well as the cultural (they already have.) I sure hope they get the chance to continue becoming themselves without Europe going to the other camp or side of the equation *too soon.  We are all more similar than different but those degress of similarity and of difference matter.  France needs more time to fully develop as herself.

P.S. I also said as “george” on the old sf site - i’m only optimistic about mankind since we’re so ‘young’. True. But we both know, all of our ancestors were despicable, low brow monkies - to start. ?! I hope I’m not being too hard on them, all of our ancestors.  (humor) Sadly being younger genetically or less mature in that arena, even if more mature culturally, I hope this hubristic trend that has us ‘believe’ we in the West can incorporate anyone and everyone and still remain and become who we are is no longer viewed by us through such rose colored glasses.  That would be a nice sign of our budding maturity (in the West) in this regard.  If we don’t know OUR limitations we have one more.  It’s one thing to be healthfully optimistic, and yet another altogether to have misty optics, no?

Otherwise I’m savvy if the Semites win, they’ll have half of me.  Regards, -river

If they have any guts left, Christians in the EU should act like their Israelite brethren (past and present) and, very simply, FIGHT BACK!

this is so disgusting that one thinks, is this article true?  before he was elected, sarkozy was calling the trouble makers scum, and now this?  if so, hang all these multicultural loving idiots.

In the fable when the Isrealites came to Samuel and said we wish to be as other nations and have a king.  Samuel was chagrined.  “We’re just supposed to be a nation of priests.  If you want to become as ‘other’ nations it’s heir to all of that nonsense.”

They said they knew that but were smart enough at least to ask Samuel to pick the king (in the fable.)

So he did that.

It’s not about Arabs vs. Jews, Vlad.  Your so-called Israelite ‘bretheren’ are also semites, like me.  Or half of me.

Jews NEVER had sadly and never will have a ‘civilization’.  They require other civilizations to be a part of, like an alka-seltzer in a glass of water.

*Until they also become xian instead of fiighting what the better half of them helped to start in the West, they’re just as much an enemy as any you could imagine.  Sometimes more, sometimes less, enemies are enemies.  Look at the neocons in the united states.  Who could be a worse enemy of that nation?

HOWEVER jews prefer what You offer in your Greek-Christian civlization while using that to play both ends against the middle.  Even you Vlad can begin to notice that, can’t you?  Not yet? 

Any people divided against itself *culturally cannot stand.  Can it?

Jews go with the winner, and so far Vlad, if you really are ‘Vlad’ - you’re the loser.

But as for tons and tons of Muslims in your own country (and who favored that?)… that’s stupid, at this point in time.  Wasn’t it difficult enough to have the Jews who refused christianity there all these years?

No?  I don’t know Vlad, I’m asking.  Maybe it was good for you like an alka-seltzer in a glass of water?

They want you to ‘believe’ so.

Bill G. (if that’s who you are, not that I give a tinker’s damn):  all you offer is a conspiracy theory, the last refuge of a gnat brain.  “Blame the Jews!” Yup, that’s original.  I don’t know how much you’ve read (maybe the inside of fortune cookies) but Jews have survived so long because they are tough; they survived every empire that came after them.  Scapegoating them for your own problems sounds so, well, wimpy. 

Leaving Bill G aside, the Jews as a people are too tenacious to let any enemy wipe them out.  They are not haunted by suicidal universalisms; why should Christians be so guilt-ridden?

Just wait.  The French are very artful at subversion and corruption.

A President McCain or President Obama will say almost exactly what traitor Sarkozy has said shortly after taking office by substituting Spanish for Arabic.

Although I was never very optimistic, Sarko has turned out to be an incredible disappointment.  A couple right-wing French patriots I know now see Sarko as a fifth columnist, and tell me that people who voted for him are up in arms.  They suspect his popularity will plummet.  What do you think, Mr. Belien?

@Paul Belien,

Again, you’re wrong.

1) The number of immigrants is between 10 or 20%, not the number of Muslims. You’re way of base here. I’ve never seen any base for any claim as high as this. It’s baseless.

For everyone who wants to see a good reflection of French demographics, read this excellent essay by Randy McDonald:

http://rfmcdpei.livejournal.com/408410.html

2) Nowhere in the world (Muslim countries included!) do Muslims identify more with a nationality than in France. In almost all countries muslims describe themselves as muslim first, national second. Again: nowhere in the world is the number so high (41%). Not in Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt or Nigeria—only in France

See PEW here:
pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=254

3) Also, Sarko may be a statist elitist Eurocrat, but he’s not all bad. His multicultural talks only serve as a means to an end. If you want to talk to Arabs and North Africans respect is very important. Those who don’t show respect will never get anything done. That’s why says stuff like that. He’s an ambitious politician, not some left-liberal degenerate who wants to sacrifice his country on the altar of PC.

Also, Sarkozy is laying the groundwork for a Meditteranian Union, similar to the EU but for Muslim countries. That’s a noble and good initiative, which will help the Muslim countries to cooperate and trade more. That way, many people will see a rise in living standards, which btw is happening now as well, and this will help these countries to become more enjoyable for the future. (For the record, Turkey is slated to become part of this new union as well.)

I find that a very good promising idea, which could actually help to improve the relations and trust between the Muslim world and the West. And make life a little more pleasant for the poor Muslim countries. Nothing wrong with that.

4) I respect mr. Belien and share his passion for Europe. Europe is our home and it should be saved for the sake of world civilization and human progress. Let’s face it, except for the US, what other parts of the world will strive to make the world a little better?

To save Europe, we have to become smart and calculating. That’s why we have to be honest, truthful and scientific in discussing the problems concerned with immigration and integration of Muslims.

It also means that we have to distance ourselves from the likes of Mark Steyn, Bat Ye’Or and Fjordman, who only add fuel to the fire by misanalysing trends.

OK.  But is giving some status to the Arabic language a bigger danger than American English as the universal European language (forced by the European superstate), not to mention the unnecessary anglicization of the European languages (also forced by the European superstate)?

The French have allowed the Muslims to become so populous in France that they act as if they are being held hostage by them

Enoch Powell was prophetic in his rivers of blood speech.

Catholic Prophecy warns ,Many bishops and priests will be put to death. The Archbishop will be murdered. Many other priests, in Paris, will have their throats cut because they will not have time to find a hiding place. IN those days, France will receive no human assistance. She will be alone and helpless. At this juncture, the French people will turn back to God and implore the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Mary Immaculate. The French people will ask for a good king, he who was chosen by God. He wil come...He will ascend to the throne...”

No, there will be no problem with inviting your mortal enemy inside your camp. Multiculturalism is perfectly fine. No danger there.

The First Daughter of The Church, having invited the enemy inside the house, will experience murder mayhem and rape thanks to her “leaders.”

And to realise this all could have been avoided is enough to make you spend your life soaking your couch in tears.

The poor French. May God have mercy on their souls.

@Maciano

Please read my article before you put words into my mouth which I did not say. I stated that in 2003 the French Interior Ministry estimated the number of MUSLIMS to be 6 million (i.e. 10% of the population), and that French MUSLIM leaders claim to represent 12 to 13 million people (20% of the population), as you can see here:

http://www.lunion.presse.fr/index.php/cms/13/article/181510/
Mohamed Zaïda: Notre population augmente, nous sommes déjà 12 ou 13 millions en France.

Hence, my assumption that the number of MUSLIMS in France is between 6 and 12m (i.e. 10 and 20% of the pop.)

France is bowing to the inevitable, given their aborted births and record low reproduction rates—versus the Arab skyrocketing birth rate. This selective Population Bomb indicates an Arab majority in France by mid-century.  But still, Western Europeans don’t get it.  The EU pushes abortion clinics in Catholic Poland and other such secularism onto its new Eastern European partners – much like a cancer patient insisting on doubling the dose of radiation that’s already shredding his insides but leaving the cancer malignant. It’s sad to see Sarko with no plan but acquiescence.

It also means that we have to distance ourselves from the likes of Mark Steyn, Bat Ye’Or and Fjordman, who only add fuel to the fire by misanalysing trends.

Que voulez-vous dire “we”, jackass.

doesn’t france have some policy where anyone from one of their former colonies can be a citizen or something?  that’s suicide

eliminate the welfare state

@SF Curt

Well, Steyn and Fjordman are, clearly, misanalyzing trends. That’s for damn sure. I’ve checked so myself. You should do so too. (Just go to the US census bureau, read about demographics, read some more info, and plot it all into an excell-sheet.)

I don’t like it, when people spread wrong memes about themes, which are very important. Truth is what should matter, not myth.

They think France is heading for a Muslim-majority Eurabia-scenario. They’re wrong about that.

This is not to say that current demographic developments in Europe are somehow good or desirable. They are not—at least, IMHO.

But, with what’s known at this point and considering all trends Europe will not be Islamic before 2060—and probably not any time this century.

Once upon a time French republican leaders dreamed of spreading the ideals of the
revolution across the globe on a trail of the French language and culutre. Now they seem
content to die quietly.

@Paul Belien

I didn’t mean to put words into your mouth, I excuse myself if that seemed like what I was doing. (FTR, I think you are a brave man and your website and opinion pieces are always well worth reading.)

Sometimes, though, I feel the urge to neutralise what people say about the Islamization of Europe, because it is such an important issue—and I find it very important that this will not happen.

Islam’s strength is its menace, its brutality. Europe isn’t menacing or brutal these days, so we need to be smart. Sadly, many “anti-Jihadists” have not too many intellectual ambitions, they want to write polemical columns to.. release their anger.

Europe will not win this battle against Islam by anger and brutality. It can only win if it does what it is best at: outsmart Islam.

We can only do that, if we carefully dissect all matters involved and stay as close to the truth as is humanly possible.

Sadly, that’s not the case. We’re stuck with the equivalents of Bill O’Reilly’s and the like to discuss these matters. There’s too much disinformation, myth, stupidity, ignorance, bias, blowhardism and unbased arguments out there.

It will, in the end, not help the defense of Europe. Only truthful judicious honest dissection of the problems will help us.

Not unlike what some whites think in California: that Spanish is the language of the future and that their kids need to be able to speak Spanish.

What Sarkozy says is utterly laughable considering that he’s a Jew- but it also gives one pause to consider the implications.

quote] – “Bill G. (if that’s who you are, not that I give a tinker’s damn): all you offer is a conspiracy theory, the last refuge of a gnat brain. “Blame the Jews!” Yup, that’s original. I don’t know how much you’ve read (maybe the inside of fortune cookies) but Jews have survived so long because they are tough; they survived every empire that came after them. Scapegoating them for your own problems sounds so, well, wimpy.

Leaving Bill G aside, the Jews as a people are too tenacious to let any enemy wipe them out. They are not haunted by suicidal universalisms; why should Christians be so guilt-ridden?” (end above post of Vlad’s)
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Vlad you sound like a man in pain and part of that pain in my opinion is due to the mindless *mass society we all
have no choice so far but to live within today (if you can call it ‘living’.)

On the one hand in yours above you blame christianity for your (our) being haunted by suicidal universalisms and guilt-ridden, and yet on the other hand you declare forcefully that you, yourself are philosemitic where the Jews are concerned who are not haunted or troubled by anything other than ‘what’s good for the Jews’; and neither are the other semites most of whom are muslims, haunted by anything except what they perceive is ‘good for them’ regardless of whose nations they reside in.  … Yes they both they ALL are tribal.  And tribes are always ‘at’ everyone else’s throats who are not members of their ‘tribe.’ That’s why dumping so-called Jews (tribal because of their culture i.e. religion, even if many are no longer ‘semitic’ genetically per se) on stolen lands in the Middle East among all of the indigenous tribes there consistently for thousands of years was as bright as busting open a bee-hive, or for that matter the same thing as invading Iraq.

Are you Jewish, by the way?  If not is it really your Christianity that has you so guilt-ridden that you apparently hate yourself, and are so haunted by suicidal universalisms that you love the Jewish tribe and loathe the other tribes?  When in balance, Christian universalism was designed to mitigate the tribal instinct or imperative so that people who were somewhat different weren’t automatically the enemies of one another because it was required of them by their culture itself.  If you’re not Jewish have you ever studied Judaism?  Do you even know what it is you say you ‘love’, and so adamantly defend?  This notion that because one discusses the Jewish role today, their hegemony in banking, in government (and so immigration policy for example), in media, in all of those instruments in the West that form and shape everyday life and opinion itself is somehow ‘blaming the Jews’ and so is therefore so OBVIOUSLY ‘anti-semitic’ is testimony to how your own opinions, and that’s all they are, have in fact been shaped for you, not by you.

Are you aware of this?

And as for conpiracies being the product of one’s perception only, that of a deluded perspective, or as you put it a ‘gnat’ brain, that yes can sometimes be the case.  It’s not the case as much as it is the case.  The advantage is to the observer, and so ALL governments are always by their very nature both cabals (some good for the indigenous populations, some bad) and thus inevitably ‘conspiracies.’ Then if as you surmise something is amiss, and you yourself seem upset and believe so, it is incumbent upon you to look at and discuss the facts.  Why don’t you discuss some facts surrounding your (our) current problems today in the West and their apparent humongous size?  Can you do that?  Are you as well read as you claim?

I’m not ‘blaming’ any people per se (I’m a Chrisitan) I’m blaming any and all cultures that are in fact tribal by design (study Judaism if you haven’t, or read the Koran if you haven’t) and so I’m wondering what place they have in a culture, both founded upon Greek civilization and Christianity, in their either living in the West, or worse dominating everything about the West.  (If you’re sincere Vlad could this be one of the bees in your bonnet you might not be aware of, as well as the loathsome mass society of which you are apparently aware?) You don’t hate yourself so much Vlad do you?  That you want your Western Civilization and Culture, whether you currently ‘believe’ (for one subtle reason or another) you like it, or not, to disappear overnight almost?  Do you?

Or is your retort well, that’s ok, long as we’re ‘like’ the Jews?  Vlad, news flash, if you’re not Jewish the Jews DON’T want you.  You’re not in or of their tribe.  Hello?  [Kock-knock, Vlad, anybody home?] How do you think the Jews have survived all these years living in everyone else’s countries and civilizations?  And I don’t fault them for that, in fact I’m happy for them – good for ‘them’.  So Vlad if you are Jewish great and we understand your posts.  If you are not however, you might want to do some more of your famous in depth readings and researches and studies into these matters, even if only for your own sake.  By the way you accused me of sounding ‘wimpy’, ok.  Anyone who is secure within themselves, not haunted by suicidal universalisms and guilt-ridden doesn’t care as long as they are accurate, how they ‘sound’ especially to someone as half-baked as you at least at the moment seem to be. 

I anxiously await all of your research and facts et. al, so that I too might be swayed over to your much more erudite position, if it is so, whatever that actually is.  So far that seems to be ‘not blaming the Jews’, and that their our [lovely] ‘bretheren.’ Err…and what else bomb the hell out of all other semites and/or Muslims-?-(so that you don’t ‘sound’ wimpy?) Oh, and also hate yourself, and your civilization and cultural heritage, especially your Christian religion, if that is what you are.  There we go Vlad, sounds like a plan, made in Jerusalem (not Athens) via the West.

Bill G:  not that it matters but no, I am not Jewish.  My point was that we Gentiles can learn from tenacious ethnic groups, whether they are our enemies or not.

Loving it Vlad.  How much time did that research take or was it so succinct you too found it in a fortune cookie.  I agree.  Best though to just read the interior of the cookie & avoid when possible all of that starch, that fake wheat, as it were.  Separate if possible the wheat from the chaff?  Ever read anything mystically written atop an apple pie.  Don’t trust that, and heaven knows, try to avoid eating the pie.  And never, never,
never, please (never) ‘believe’ anything you happen to see these days in the national campfire most stare hypnotically into called t.v.  Ok?  Trust, my friend, but verify!?!  Don’t turn it all back on yourself, you’re probably – ok.  See you on the moon – err, one day.  Forgive me-?-I still don’t ‘believe’ that.  Mea culpa!

Bill G:  actually it doesn’t take much research to know basic facts, like the toughness of the Jewish people.  (You probably have read Kevin MacDonald and little else.)
Since you were going on about pastries, maybe I’ll eat a blintz (or is that treason in your eyes?).

I am catholic which means universal. We are all brothers and most of us are tribal as well. But tribes keep mixing with other and make new tribes. America is such a mixture of tribes that it is impossible for one to rule forever without changing into another tribe. Europe was built not on racial lines but on cultural and religious lines. It will not survive without Christianity. Islam will only take over because it too is universal and still worships God and doesn’t go along with such absurdities as abortion and the homosexual agenda. With all due respect to Jewish tribalism, the Jews of Hollywood, Wall Street, Russia, the middleast, etc. have really made the world a better place. the only Jews that are growing as a group are the small Orthodox community which stll worships God.

You keep putting me down Vlad, is it Vlad the viking who doesn’t know he still needs to be ‘top chimp’? - I’m part Jew (probably not the best part)… never read McDonald, heard of him.  Don’t need to read him. 

I just ask for a discussion of facts from you after I report basics first, and you curiously assault me, for that. Then I go into more detail, and ask you for some of your own facts and ‘learning’ you’re so proud of but get a ‘basic’ reply.  Now you assualt me again, as if it’s about basics. 

Now you’re just a clown (to anyone with a human brain reading this.) Where’s the beef? 

And this after I showed you my belly in conciliation after finding something in your tacit reply with which to agree… and injected some humor.

Vlad, I’ve already dealt with Vikings.  I can see why you’re the loser.  Perhaps even beyond my help.  But no you still don’t deserve it.  It’s not, sadly, a world in which we get what we deserve.  In this world there’s winners, and losers.  Maybe you should just ‘learn’ to live with it?  … You’re too clever by half, so I suspected then perhaps you’re not Vlad.  I’ll deal with you, any way you choose to go.  Show us some of your alleged erudition – go for it!  I already said, I want to learn, more.  Stop clonking me on the head with your worn-out sword.

Bill:  here’s a fact.  The Israelites are still around (not the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Romans ,etc.) Faith in one God is a foundation for toughness.  Christians used to have this faith, but as they abandon the Old Testament morality they become weak and spineless.  Christians did this to themselves.
Btw, I am sorry that you hate your “Jewish” part.  Self-hatred leads to some bizarre behavior, eh?

Vlad, vlad, forget it.  Sadly, you say one thing and do another.  And put words in my mouth that I hate parts of myself.  I love my jewish and my christian parts.  You have no idea yet what morality is.  You’ve established only that You are my enemy.  Let’s leave it at that.  And all I can add is study, study, study, and then do some studying so you are not as stupid as your reveal yourself to be.

You know zip, and not even basics, with your sins of omission.  No wonder you don’t reveal to us, all of your proclaimed erudition.  You’re on someone else’s or your own payroll.  Don’t make me laugh so hard.

Now go back to your handler and see what he or she wants you to say about this.  Goodbye.  Sinonara.

Bill:  you’re onto me, bro!  Yes, I am on somebody’s payroll.  I must get to my star chamber soon, where we are reading the Protocols.  Enjoy your meds. After you regain ccs, get a library card and actually read some books about Judaism (or something!)

I heard this joke used to make the rounds in certain right-wing circles in France:

Q. What will the Church’s language be if Msgr Lefebvre wins?
A. Latin.
Q. And what will it be if he loses?
A. Arabic.

Sarko is following a great French tradition:  Hosting an invasion with impeccable manners.

lad is defeated.  He knows too much about what he doesn’t know and although I’ve tried to respond fairly and ask for his ‘creds’ which he so voiciferously claimed he had, so we could intelligently discuss his assertions.  He balked and descended into name calling. ? He was allegedly the one according to him/her who was erudite.

What a waste of life he (or she) is.

Please anyone wishing for a crash course on the present… read Vlad’s and my interchange above, and make our own observations. 

Vlad’s not even a viking which has some honor in that… he’s just a schmuck.

And while spewing schlock pretending it’s wisdom… with his alleged ‘hutzpah’ accuses others of what he does, so well.

Vlad die. It’s about *time.  Have you ever considered the propect, after surviving so ‘many’ empires?

Vlad a thought for you – *time has come.  Mark my words, kayyy…

@Paul Belien

I’ve been thinking about your reply some more (yes, I have nothing else to do with my life :))) and I think that you are still wrong.

“I stated that in 2003 the French Interior Ministry estimated the number of MUSLIMS to be 6 million (i.e. 10% of the population), and that French MUSLIM leaders claim to represent 12 to 13 million people (20% of the population), as you can see here: Mohamed Zaïda: Notre population augmente, nous sommes déjà 12 ou 13 millions en France.”

The Economist wrote a couple of years back about this issue and they projected the amount of Muslims (in an active religious sense) in France around 4 million.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2404691

That’s nowhere near the 12/13 million (or 20%) of immigrants this Zaïda guy is coming up with, or even the 10% you were yourself arguing for. It’s probably more likely to be around +/- 7%.

I’m pretty much convinced that, if France were to limit immigration in the future (which I do not doubt will happen all over Europe the coming decades), this number will rise somewhat, because of diverging TFR’s among child-bearing, but no more than that. Birth rates are dropping and converging to a general mean.

Many Muslims secularise (just like Europeans did) and there’s a tendency to intermarry with other groups in France. You mentioned yourself that Muslims are convert to other religions as well. So, that reduces Muslims too.

What I’m basicly saying is this: Muslim groups are not cohesive monolithic entities in Europe and there are many different factors which have influences on Muslim communities. Modernity has been relentless for any culture and any people.

To treat Muslims like one cohesive monolithic entity is nonsensical and wrong. Especially from an anti-Jihadist perspective, I might add. A unified opponent is not something you’d like to encourage, is it not?

just to provide a contrarian view here:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/19880618/singer

^this article is from 1988.  it’s the same memo:  the muslims are taking over.  some guy says that in 20 years france will be totally muslim.  well, it’s been twenty years and while the muslim population has grown it certainly hasn’t taken over.

Now Bill, wishing me or anyone dead isn’t very Christian, is it? (If you recall, you described yourself as a Christian.) You condemn yourself, oh vile creature!

I just won’t deal with Vlad anymore. He keeps putting words in my mouth.

Let others reading this be the judge.  (Look at the interchage above. For some curious reason Vlad keeps departing or distracting you from the meat of it.)

But to respond to his distraction now, for the last time - I suggested above (see the interchange) the time has come for change, adjustment, appendange of tradition, and he says it means I wish him ‘dead.’?  This is sort of like the *pre-traumatic stress syndrome – nothing real, so he’ll manufacture it.  Smacks of his being from some sort of cultural anachronism.

And then he reverts back to name calling as you can see above calling me ‘vile.’

It’s his pattern.  Review the above.

Misinterpret the actual meaning of words to suit his pathology, demonize (name call).

Vlad the Viking… some one fax word to him (or e-Mail him) that he’s history already, whether he changes or not.  That he’s still here ‘like that’ with us only means it would be a *benefit for him to change now – lest he take his pathology ‘as if’ healthy to its own logical conclusion ‘cannibalism’.  Then he can start eating himself after he’s devoured everyone else, I suppose… for a while.

The projection of me as the ‘vile creature’ is I guess, since it’s out of his mouth, who he is these days but doesn’t see it – so of course it gets projected – out here – today it’s me – tomorrow it’s you.

He’ll probably be attacking the ‘Swiss’ next?  They try to stay neutral, but he’ll find a ‘reason.’

I just ‘hope’, (hope) it’s a christian virtue, he changes before he’s too emabarrassed at seeing himself.  I wouldn’t want the cannibal’s feelings to be hurt.

vlad: “...all you offer is a conspiracy theory, the last refuge of a gnat brain.  “Blame the Jews!””

Tell me what you think of this laundry list of cultural subversion, vlad?

Classical Marxism
Revolutionary internationalism
Critical Theory
Postmodernism
Freudianism
Second-wave Feminism
Second-Wave Libertarianism
Gay Rights/LBGT Rights
American Civil Rights
Human Rights
White Privilege/White Abolitionism
Agitation for open borders and mass immigration
Neoconservatism
Academic race-denial
Encouragement for white race-mixing
Exploitation of the official holocaust narrative
Israel Lobby
Internet pornography
Negative imagery of whites on film and TV
Anti-white bias in media reporting
hate-speech laws

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/a_bit_more_work_for_ian_joblings_busy_moderator/

“Scapegoating them for your own problems sounds so, well, wimpy.”

A failure to speak aloud one’s diagnosis of part of the cause of the suicidal complacency of his people is “wimpy”.

“...the Jews as a people are too tenacious to let any enemy wipe them out.  They are not haunted by suicidal universalisms...”

So “the Jews” may pass one’s lips without reproach when one praises them, yet may not when one justly criticizes them; those are not the actions of a free man, that is “wimpy”. 

Jews are a genetically distinct, non-European people, we are not they.  We owe them no more fealty and consideration than we owe Negroes, Chinamen, etc.  We must find a nationalist expression that is consistent with our own being.

“You probably have read Kevin MacDonald and little else.”

Have you read MacDonald’s works?  If so, please provide a point-by-point refutation thereof.

the original jack: “But tribes keep mixing with other and make new tribes.”

Do they?  According the 2000 census less than 5% of Whites were married to non-Whites.

Is this “mixing” good or bad?  Murders keep happening, is that good or bad?  Time to throw in the towel, right?

“America is such a mixture of tribes that it is impossible for one to rule forever without changing into another tribe.”

With an effeminate, defeatist attitude like that, I’ll concede your point.

“Europe was built not on racial lines but on cultural and religious lines.”

According to population geneticist Luigi Cavalli-Sforza Europeans are the most genetically homogeneous peoples of continental origin.  Are you implying that sans Christianity Europeans would have been perfectly amenable to assimilating Negroes and Chinamen?

You simply do not know what you are talking about.

“It will not survive without Christianity. Islam will only take over because it too is universal...”

Just what of Europe will have survived if the genetic interests of its people are liquidated?  How is the particular preserved by being “mixed” and subsumed beyond recognition into the universal?

Is the Mona Lisa still the Mona Lisa if you “mix” it with a lot of other paints with it?  Are our people still themselves if they are “mixed”?  If your mother still your mother if she is fundamentally altered?

You are not helping the case for a reinvigorated Christianity amongst Europeans if the necessary sacrifice they need make is the liquidation of their unique genetic makeup on the alter of universalism.

“With all due respect to Jewish tribalism, the Jews of Hollywood, Wall Street, Russia, the middleast, etc. have really made the world a better place.”

I’ll take it you are being ironic.

Maciano: “Many Muslims secularise (just like Europeans did) and there’s a tendency to intermarry with other groups in France.”

So, what we are left with then is millions of racial aliens who engage in miscegenation and destroy the unique genetic makeup of Europeans.  Just peachy.

What Belien is getting at, Maciano, but doesn’t have the stones to say, because he is a faileocon, because he is afraid of being thrown in jail, is that he values the genetic continuity of the European peoples - something you apparently cannot wrap your head around.

Do not attempt to argue this point with me, I am prepared to refute you utterly.

But if you must, here is a preview of what is in store for you.

“Here we characterize genetic variation in a sample of 3,000 European individuals genotyped at over half a million variable DNA sites in the human genome. Despite low average levels of genetic differentiation among Europeans, we find a close correspondence between genetic and geographic distances; indeed, a geographical map of Europe arises naturally as an efficient two-dimensional summary of genetic variation in Europeans.” - “Genes mirror geography within Europe”,
Detours, Nature 455, 861 (October 2008)

And here is the “map”:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ro2ijOk8JWc/SLs7sALkwoI/AAAAAAAAATs/sa2Ig1gv31M/s1600-h/novembre.jpg

@ Belien

I am a manual laborer, why should it be my job to refute all this feable-minded nonsense?  Why not you?  You see, this is what happens when we talk about culture as a proxy for race, the ‘wisdom’ of the neurologically impaired is allowed to persist.

“(1) There are genetic differences between peoples, thus different peoples have legitimate conflicts of interest. 
(2) Ethnocentrism has deep psychological roots that cause us to feel greater attraction and trust for those who are genetically similar. 
(3) As Frank Salter notes , ethnically homogeneous societies bound by ties of kinship and culture are more likely to be open to redistributive policies such as social welfare.
(4) Ethnic homogeneity is associated with greater social trust and political participation.
(5) Ethnic homogeneity may well be a precondition of political systems characterized by democracy and rule of law.” - Kevin MacDonald

Sounds like good sense to me.  Hey, maybe Kevin MacDonald really is all a person needs to read.