Finally; Maher, with the intellect of lint, is put in his place.
What we have paid for our mindless support of Israel is spoken in this venue, not just on a blog.
Ron Paul, a true patriot, is mentioned on a show where he would normally be unmentionable.
How cool is this.

Glad to see Michael Scheuer is making the talk show
circuit. This “Israel is a democracy” BS is getting a
bit old. Can you imagine ignoramuses like Maher trying
to claim South Africa was a “democracy” twenty years
ago?

Actually, Maher’s had Paul on at least twice recently. The first time. The first tim The first time, before the debates started, he took up a a great deal of time in ge a good portion of the time getting Paul’s opinion on the pressing issue of the war he pressing issue of the war between the states. After the first debate and his exchange with Giulliani, Maher called him his hero.
But yeah, Maher’s an effing idjit.

The way the comments box was formatted makes it appear that I have a stutter…

David, maybe you can take that stuttering software and sell it to microsoft...hope you make a million.

with regards to zionism and the american dual loyalty crowd...they are misinformed for the largest part, and probably feel that they are finally able to stand up to all the ghosts of the past by supporting israel.

but alas they are the dupes of the zionist who will sell them out like they sold out the arabian jews in iraq and the other countries where they planted bombs and orchestrated terrorist campaings to cause them to believe in anti semitism and to want to run to israel for protection, once there in israel they realized that they were not as jewish as the ashkenazi rulers who discriminated against them.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/impact/iraqijews.cfm
truth is stranger than fiction.

In this video Scheuer is wearing a yamaka, no (he comes on at about 7 minutes)?

link

Greetings, Im a Survivor of the attack on our ship USS Liberty June 8 67.34 men were killed 172 wounded including myself.It was a sneak attack with unmaked jets and followed by torpedo boats. The cover up has gone on for 40 years in this country and Israel. It is about time the truth be told.No one should get by with murder not even Israel.
Phillip F Tourney
Survivor Board Member Liberty Veterans

thank you for your service Mr tourney, the decision to not fully investigate the incident you and your crew were subject to was indeed a fateful one for our nation.

regarding this clip:  maher is one of many people who need to update their rhetoric.  one thing “The Israel lobby” book makes clear is that most of the arguments for israel are out of date.  for example, you can’t rationally say that israel is the strategic asset it was during the cold war.  You can still be a zionist and even a right wing likudnik, but you can’t lobby people with the same stuff you were saying to the reagan and johnson administrations because times have changed

I am a survivor of thr attack
on the USS Liberty.  Mr. Maher probably
would sing a different tune if he had
been with me on June 8, 1967.  I was the
Petty Officer in Charge of body recovery
and identification of the 34 men that
were killed by the Israeli Defense
Force.  Almost every individual who was
in any position of authority during that
time says it was no accident.  http://www.ussliberty.org for facts and proof

to the survivors of the uss liberty, my sympathies and support in any way you guys are trying to bring it to the attention of the american people through the gatekeeper press.

with regards to mr scheurr wearing a yamaka.....i hope he is jewishh american, more kudos to him for standing up against all the pressure that community puts on its own people here in the states and around the world to go along with the company line in fifth column fashion not knowing that they are as misinformed as the rest of america on the israel palestinian issue and on aipac arrogance in america.

When you spend any time around the anti-war Left/Liberals, you get a glimpse why the a antiwar movement lead by the Left is so ineffective, and confused and ineffective. The Left is disproportionately Jewish; Jews can’t get over their identification with Israel; ultimately US foreign policy---meaning the occupation of Iraq and the tub thumping for expanding the war into Iran---is about protecting “Israel’s right to exist.”
And “Israel’s Right to Exist” means it’s expansive aims to “Historical” Israel in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.

I saw some of the earlier Maher shows where he first thinks he is a kook and then gushes about Ron Paul. He kind of cooled off on him if the latest one is any indication - right after Paul fingered the neocons for the force behind the war.

Maher did, once again, blame the “right wing Christians that control the Republican party”. He conveniently ignores that the Christians don’t have the media resources for a national disinformation campaign or that they have never gotten anything they wanted from the Republicans.

He even mentioned that ALL the Republican candidates were for staying in the war without mentioning Paul.

I guess his AIPAC handlers let him know he had gone too far in giving Paul exposure.

Thanks to those who made comment about
the USS Liberty.  As a survivor I wish
I could let the American public know what
it took to keep the truth of this issue
out there. I never thought I would have
my own family turn against me just for
trying to tell this country that I love
the truth about this attack. Because of
the name calling I have been subjected to
even the church I belonged to back in the
eighties looked down on me. I thank God
that my life was spared, and I have been
able to do what I could to let others
know what happened on June 8, 1967.  The
Liberty survivors and those that support
us are true red blooded Americans. Nothing more and nothing less.

The fact that Maher is Jewish may be holding him back
from reaching the logical conclusions of his beliefs.
He would like to be fair minded and consequent, but
when it comes to Israel, he is afraid that he may be
condemning all his entire people to extermination if
he does not support it.

It is a belief so deeply ingrained in him that he does
not question it, maybe he does not even know it, only on
the reflex actions that it produces.

I know. I do not think of myself as Jewish most of te
time, but when I hear a diatribe against “Jews” my whole
system goes into a “survival at any price” mode.

Those who do not like it, might contemplate who it was
who taught this to us.

Scheuer is right about for whom our children as soldiers should bleed. Adriana is right that Jews, Armenians, Waldenians, Catholic Irish, the “Scot’s-Irish”, the Polish, and the Ibo have good reasons to feel a shade paranoid.

well, Scheuer, “went to a little Jesuit school in Buffalo called Canisius”.  I’m assuming he is Catholic.

Scheuer is Catholic.  He says so in his book “Imperial Hubris”.

It’s a shame the Pope can’t endorse a candidate.  Hmmmm, I wonder which candidate Benedict would support?  The answer should be pretty obvious.

The Pope can’t endorse a candidate?

Why not?

I imagine he can, but I don’t know if it is Pope PC to endorse a non-Catholic.  I don’t see him endorsing any of the Catholic Republicans, e.g. Scoop and Dump…

I have one disturbing thought. All over the globe there
are Christians being persecuted, for being Christians,
be it in China, or in Muslim lands. Are we, in a hurry
to avoid political adventurism closing the possibility
of helping fellow Christians?  We may be doing the
right thing, from a national standpoint, but may we
not end up paying too hight a price?

Things are never cut and dried in this world.

I don’t think the Pope, a monarch of a foreign country (the Vatican City), has any business endorsing a candidate in a U.S. election.  Nothing against Catholics, just saying that Ratzinger should mind his own damn business, no matter who he might support.

“When you spend any time around the anti-war Left/Liberals, you get a glimpse why the a antiwar movement lead by the Left is so ineffective, and confused and ineffective. The Left is disproportionately Jewish; Jews can’t get over their identification with Israel; ultimately US foreign policy---meaning the occupation of Iraq and the tub thumping for expanding the war into Iran---is about protecting “Israel’s right to exist.”
And “Israel’s Right to Exist” means it’s expansive aims to “Historical” Israel in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.”
First of all, I think its rather simplistic to reduce the aims of American foreign policy to promoting Israeli interests.  I think a lot of it has to do with securing control over oil reserves and the like.  More importantly, I think your characterization of the anti-war left is inaccurate.  Although many liberals, Jewish and non-Jewish, axiomatically support Israel on every question, most Leftists (and there is a difference between liberals and Leftists), whether Jewish or not, are supportive of the Palestinians right to self-determination.  There is a wide range of views with in the Left pro-Palestinian anti-war community (mainly divided between supporters of two-state and one-state solutions), but all agree that what the Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians is wrong.  I could compile a list of antiwar, pro-Palestinian Jews on the Left: Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Uri Avnery, Tim Wise, Norman Finkelstein, etc.  I myself am a pro-Palestinian leftist of Jewish descent.

Adriana:
“I have one disturbing thought. All over the globe there
are Christians being persecuted, for being Christians,
be it in China, or in Muslim lands. Are we, in a hurry
to avoid political adventurism closing the possibility
of helping fellow Christians?  We may be doing the
right thing, from a national standpoint, but may we
not end up paying too hight a price?”
I hope you’re not seriously suggesting that we invade every country that is unfriendly toward its Christian minority?  Thats a lot of wars we’re gonna have to fight…

@Matt

This is a dilemma about our conflicting duties towards
our nation and towards the larger Christian community
to which we belong.  If you claim that your Church is
the Universal one, if you support foreign missions to
help spread it, then you cannot in good conscience turn
your back when congregations there, the fruit of those
missions you sent are persecuted.  Prudence may advice
against intervention quite often. But we cannot close
that door and continue talking about a Universal Church.

“This is a dilemma about our conflicting duties towards
our nation and towards the larger Christian community
to which we belong.  If you claim that your Church is
the Universal one, if you support foreign missions to
help spread it, then you cannot in good conscience turn
your back when congregations there, the fruit of those
missions you sent are persecuted.  Prudence may advice
against intervention quite often. But we cannot close
that door and continue talking about a Universal Church.”
Answer my question.  Should we, in any circumstance, attack another country only because its government is persecuting the Christians that live within its borders?  If you answer yes to this question, then please do not hold it against me if I think you are insane.  I am not a religious person, but I think even if I were, I would not hold such a rash position.

@Matt

You act as if there is no middle ground between doing
absolutely nothing and always intervening militarily.
I was warning that out of the desire of avoiding one
extreme we may fall into the other.

What exactly should be done then?  If you are talking about organizing prayer vigils or starting a letter-writing campaign or whatever, then fine.  But I hope your not talking about using my tax dollars.  It is no business of our government how other governments choose to treat their religious, racial or ethnic minorities.

“Finally; Maher, with the intellect of lint...”

Ms. Westover, on behalf of me & all my fabric,
dust, and paper-based brethren everywhere—I
must say that such slanderous insults are uncalled
for.

@Matt, since you are not a religious person,
then by all means do not intrude in the
deliberations of those who are.

After they reach an understanding, then you
are free to oppose any action that threatens
your wallet.

@Adriana
I’m free to have any opinion I want, just as you are.  If you are thinking about using the U.S. government, the government that I pay taxes to, to free your “oppressed Christian brethren,” or anyone else, for that matter, then I have a right to oppose that.  My opinion is that the United States government has no business intruding in the internal affairs of other countries.  Now, its not that I don’t have sympathy for persecuted Christians, or for that matter anyone persecuted for their religious beliefs.  Its just that I don’t think giving the U.S. government the role of “liberating” persecuted people is a good idea, whatever means they may use to do so (military action, sanctions, etc.) This is a position that has nothing to do with religion.  Any one can hold this entirely sensible position, regardless of their religious opinions.

@Matt

Well, I was posing a case of conscience for Christians,
for them to debate.  You are against. Fine.

But do not pretend that there is nothing to debate.

When Israel was doing its thing to Lebanon in the latest bombardment, Maher was interviewed and couldn’t bring himself to find fault with it. So he is a phony on the antiwar front, and with the exception of maybe drugs and the battle of the sexes, he is a phony on the “politically incorrect” front as well.  Pretty much all the rest of his opinions are politically correct to a tee.
He has just one Jewish parent, and doesn’t believe in God, so I don’t know how Jewish he is, but no doubt like many Americans forms his opinions from the MSM which essentially carries the party line for Israel.  He could probably benefit from reading a book or two.  But was good to see the former CIA man Scheuer holding such non-mainstream and patriotic viewpoints.  Abe Foxman will have to get some seminars going at the CIA to combat this heretical thinking.

In a gallup poll Jews were by far the most anti-war (in Iraq) of any identified religious grouping polled (including Catholics, and protestants.. 

People like Joe Populist need to get a clue.

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