well okay now kathleen parkers column makes sense

This ALMOST makes the election debacle worthwhile.  Frum’s “new majority” will attract plenty of donations but no followers, like “Catholics for a Free Choice,” another front organization. Now if we could just redeem the REST of the conservative movement from its service as a front group, we’d be getting somewhere.

As I’ve suggested before, the way to advance the end of neo-conservatives is by stop paying so much attention to their every move. This news is slightly interesting, indeed, because America only benefits from one less neocon filling the web with lies, but it’s not deserving a whole article. A side note would be sufficient.

I agree with John. If the black savior’s ascendancy helped to derail Frum’s career,
I rejoice at Obama’s election. Thus may it be with all minicon noise-makers!

The so called “neo-conservatives “ and the Press ...and we use this word “liberally”.... that hires them are the natural progeny of this Have A Nice Day Empire that has the people of the lapsed Republic clutched by the short hairs of their brains.

To think they might be seeing their twilight years as a result of the recent election is to defy history. Quite the contrary, unlike the Cliff Notes For the Presidency of the U.S.....otherwise known as the"Sunbeams For the Unitary Executive”..of the rapidly closing Bush Years, when boundaries were crisp and simple, like barbed wire on the Staked Plains of Texas, ......in this new era, boundaries will be blurred and gerrymandered like a Jackson Pollock Painting by a chimpanzee. The Neo-Cons will thrive in this atmosphere, like maggots feeding on a fresh carcass. Given the fact that fresh carcasses are bound to remain in liberal supply, these neo-cons are sure to prosper, pupating into all manner of insectivorous parasites.

If only bug-zappers actually worked and we could mount a huge one atop the Washington Monument and watch as the Neo-Cons pelted the thing and were fried with a lovely zzzzzaaaappppPPPP!

Not that all Neo-Cons are bad, no...heaven forfend, they’re surely not, they’re simply all parasitical and even parasites have their role to play.

David Frum, David Brooks, the formerly virtually unknown Kathleen Parker and others want to obscure the true reason for the 2006/2008 election thrashings of the Republican Party- the failure of the neo-conservative/big government policies of George W. Bush.  If anything positive is to come out of the sting of the recent electoral rejection of the Republican Party it would be that the main culprit for the hiding be exposed as the political cancer that it is.  Finger the neo-conservatives.  Banish the neo-conservatives to the political wilderness.

Mr. Leaberry is exactly right.

I clicked on the NR link.  A graceful, classy exit on Frum’s part.

Yet I cannot be blind to the evidence that we have seen free markets produce some damaging and dangerous results in recent years. Or that the foreign policy I supported has not yielded the success I would have wished to see.

I know what Frum has said about some of the contributors here.  But is this person so evil, so subhuman that he can’t be given any credit for anything at all?

Frum’s a good analyst of politics, as opposed to policy.  With all the name-calling here and the attacks on his “new majority” article, I don’t recall seeing a single substantive critique of his plan on its own terms.  Yes, his ideal of the Republican Party is different from ours.  That doesn’t need saying.  But is his plan viable, especially given the above quote which suggests a change in foreign policy and free trade?  If not, why not? Anybody got anything to say?

It should be noted that some neo-conservatives are trying to cloud the blame for the recent election defeat by mentioning social conservatives and Sarah Palin as fall-guys(fall-girl in Mrs. Palin’s case).  Yet what of substance has social conservatives received from George W. Bush and the Republicans.  Two Supreme Court justices that should please conservatives of any stripe.  The overblown Terri Schiavo fiasco.  A president who occasionally talked of a “culture of life” and who led with his “heart.” A lot of hot air, for the most part.

Neo-conservatism with a dose of Republican plutocrat mentality is what led the Republican Party upon the shoals it now sits.

Mr. Sabin’s assessment is most likely correct. Our society and government are moving towards the left. In a postindustrial society that is rapidly becoming a post Christian society; I can’t see any other direction...barring a miracle. 

Even IF all of us wanted to turn back the clock and have our own ”Little House on the Prairie” type of life; it wouldn’t be possible. The population of the US is too large to give each family that “little piece of heaven”

(N.B. “Heaven” is not a accurate description when a crop fails and/or you’re exhausted but the work still needs to be done.  Having spent many summers on my grandfather’s farm; I can attest that farm and ranch work is first and foremost physically demanding--to say the least.)

Now for my infantile two cents regarding Mr. Frum:

“The End of Frum?”

It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!

*snort*
*chortles*
*rolls eyes*

:o)

@ Mr. Leaberry,

surprisingly, Kathleen Parker is the second most widely syndicated columnist, behind Will. Someone who knows these things actually told me Cal Thomas is third. WTF.

I think the media are fighting for their lives.  now that bush is leaving they know they are not going to have any stories anymore.  the beltway are going to coalesce around this new sucko-conservative movement and accept it even though for thel ife of me I cannot figure out what any of them support that would qualify any normal defination of conservative. 

the beltway is our green zone, remember that.  they are totally divorced from reality

More Katherine Jean Lopez? Yummy!

This post would be longer, but I must go soak my nails in a bowl of Richard Perle fulmination.

“Or that the foreign policy I supported has not yielded the success I would have wished to see.”

They reduce what little was left of the conservative movement to rubble (the electorate preferred an African leftist) and the above is a “graceful, classy exit ?”

I’ve never really read NRO before.  WOW I can’t believe how boring it is. 

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2I2OWQxYTE5YTEyYjNjYmFkYmRmNTZmZDNhOGIyNWU=

I dare anyone to read that and not pass out

Its not the end of Frum, because Frum learns. Frum learns and tells us what he learns.  You can search on David Frum at CIS.org.  CIS is about learning data and models and then telling us what they learn.  So is Vdare. 

National Review acts like the cool kids in high school. So does Fox.  Lou Dobbs goes out and creates a body of knowledge like Vdare, CIS, NumbersUSA, Front Page Mag, Jihad Watch and even Antiwar do.  Is Takimag going to learn and tell us what they learn or ride Taki’s money and vent resentments? If so, Frum will beat that because he is still learning.

I stopped reading when I saw “NewMajority.com.” He doesn’t actually believe himself does he?  What world are these people inhabiting?  What world am I inhabiting?  How do people like this...oh never mind.

I should have said, Frum doesn’t actually believe himself…

Frum will be shown to have been correct in the long run. The war is not of our making.

Do we know for a fact that Frum was asked to leave? How do we know he didn’t quit? This article or the NYT article don’t really say for sure.

Another neocon 5th columnist that hopefully will die slowly, as they should. But rejoice not! Obama is filling his administration with plenty of Frum clones.

Captainchaos,

They think anything is good thing if they can gain power and jobs.  They have no standards.  As far as the loss of a white majority, I look at it as a sort of martyrdom where we must live as an minority group of outcasts.  But, we can choose to live as Christians, or die trying.

Dear Ploni,
I appreciate your desire to raise the tone, and accept the rebuke. Do please remember that Frum was NOT (like some other neoconservatives) simply a misguided idealist, who treated his opponents with critical respect. He tried to destroy people’s good names and end their careers by calling them “unpatriotic” during wartime. He knew exactly what this meant in America, and did it consciously. His “retraction” is weak, thin stuff in the face of thousands of Americans (and perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis) dead, trillions wasted, the conservative movement marginalized, the entire government in the hands of the Left.... It’s like Kaiser Wilhelm, looking at the ruins of Germany in 1919, sending a telegram to the Reichstag reading simply:  “Oops.”

Is there any evidence that this Frummish leopard has changed his spots? The foremost spot, of course, is the Israel First spot (odd that no one has mentioned that most salient aspect of Frummism). The idea that someone whose only real loyalty is to a foreign power--a nation (I don’t mean Canada, Frum’s homeland, either) that behaves more like an inveterate enemy than a friend--could garner a respectful hearing from some commenters on this thread is distasteful in the extreme. Let him publicly renounce his foreign allegiance first; then a listen can be given to what little of worth he has to say.

How is the Derb still there?  He was worse than most concerning the war; he openly admitted to supporting the murder of civilians whom he knew to be innocent and totally unrelated to the crime to “send a message” to the Arab world.  This was the stupidest and most vile pro-war argument I heard (and that’s saying a lot) but not the most dishonest--it’s impossible to top the neocons in that category.

But otherwise, his stuff is right out of VDARE.  I wonder what use Derb and NR have for each other.

“Frum’s “new majority” will attract plenty of donations but no followers, like “Catholics for a Free Choice,” another front organization. Now if we could just redeem the REST of the conservative movement from its service as a front group, we’d be getting somewhere.”

What you mean we , John ?

American women outnumber Canadian neocons roughly a million to one, and clearly aren’t buying into the gospel according to K-Lo.

The Little Frummer Boy moves on.

The lynchpin of the American public’s disenchantment with conservatism and the Republican Party is the foolish, unwise decision to invade and occupy Iraq.  David Frum not only supported that decision, he wrote speeches advocating the debacle and harshly condemned wiser conservatives than he for warning against the adventure in Iraq.  The egg is on David Frum’s face.  He was wrong about Iraq; Pat Buchanan, Taki, Thomas Fleming, Robert Novak and the others were correct.  Mr. Frum can point fingers at everyone but himself for the 2008 wipeout but he can not hide the fact that his imput in the escapade in Iraq is central to the Republican and conservative political collapse.

Show some honor and responsibility, David Frum.

John Zmirak:
Equating Frum’s warmongering and deliberate scheming to get innocent people in the Middle East killed for the benefit of his favorite cause with Kaiser Wilhelm’s role in WWI is way off the mark and an insult. I expected a better knowledge of history from you.

F Frum, Kristol,Podhoretz, Brooks, and Stein. They are unpatriotic and I therfore throw them out of the Conservative movement.

But is this person so evil, so subhuman that he can’t be given any credit for anything at all?

Of course not.  I’m sure, for example, that he likes dogs and little children.  As did Hitler.

With both Brooks and Kristol at the NYT and Frum out on his own, I see a pattern.  The Neocon brand is moving on.  The Conservative press has served it purpose for the minicons and it’s time to move on to perches closer to power.  I wonder if Goldberg will remain at NR?  He’s less employable than the others and certainly not as well connected.
What will become of the Weekly Standard?  Will Murdock continue to support this handout of a failed movement? As an instrument to send messages to a Republican administration, it no longer has a purpose. 
Perhaps Murdock will experiment with adding a paleo or two to the cast of talking heads on FOX?  Pat Buchanan is already engaged at NBC.  Jim Pinkerton seems to have time on his hands and already appears on FOX once a week. Let’s hope.

Regarding Australia’s immigration policy. It was said of the White Australia policy “Two Wongs dont make a white”.

David Frum deserves every bit of spite that he receives.  In 2003, he most famously declared certain paleoconservative writers and intellectuals to be “unpatriotic” for not supporting the invasion of Iraq and pompously, not to say self-delusionally, read them out of the conservative movement.  Many of those on the receiving end of Frum’s wrath write for this web site, including the proprietor.  In the end, David Frum, the neo-conservatives en-masse, and the scribble journals of THE WEEKLY STANDARD and NATIONAL REVIEW were wrong about the Iraq War and are responsible for the political and intellectual collapse of what goes by the name of “conservatism”.

Captain.  I used to live on Mars, (otherwise known as New Jersey) but crossed the river to Pennsylvania some years ago.
Murdock is a businessman who backed a loser in the case of the Weekly Standard. Whatever his beliefs, assuming he has any, he will not keep backing a rag catering to losers. While Bush was President the Weekly standard had relevance because the clowns writing for it had access to the White House. With Obama, Pelosi and Reid in charge, the Weekly Standard scribblers have only themselves to talk to. Unless the Weakling Standard can make itself important in some other way, it can’t survive.  There is after all, such a thing as the New Republic, and they do cater to the same readership more or less.

tom meehan- Weekly standard may lose money but it gives intellectual coverage to FOX’s wacky illogical politics.  thus it is valuable for him.

the one I wonder about is sheldon adelson.  he bankrolls alot of these neocon groups and he lost about 8 billion last month in stock of las vegas sands.

neoconservatism has no grass roots support.  without billionaire backers it is dead.

Rupert Murdoch is also coming up against that final Earthly frontier- he’s pushing eighty years of age.  Like all political magazines, THE WEEKLY STANDARD loses money.  Murdoch is willing to subsidize the magazine but his children, who all are in varying degrees on the Left, may decide to defund THE WEEKLY STANDARD after Murdock dies.  One can only dream.

Only someone as pompus as Frum could call his new website “The New Majority.com”

I gues that’s better than “The Old Minority.com” but less intellectually honest.

Don’t forget that for Murdoch powers IS everything.
His entire life has been based on a crazy for power...many may not know but his father Keith Mucdoch was an influential journalist in Australia at the time of the Ist World War...where he bacame the media consultant to the Australian P,M of the day ,Billy Hughes...Hughes was a liar and megalomanic and a warmonger.

He and Murdoch Senior became close assocuates and from them on Keith Murdoch always sought to influence governments using his newspapers as weapons.
‘His son has been even more assi
dous in this matter.
Oddly some of his empire will pass to his 2nd wife Wendy and the several small children they have...and also to his adult children.
It’s possible that 2nd wife Wendy and her many Chinese relatives may take over the Empire after the old man’s death ..and who knows we may see the Murdoch empire pass into Chinese hands.and base itself in China!

sean scallon- it’s going to be the subject of intense ridicule if it fails, which it will

It’s hard to like Frum, given his idiocy over the last few years. He isn’t humble, and thinks everyone is entitled to his opinion. He really won’t be missed at NR or NRO as he added next to nothing to either one. There were already enough neocon shills and one more added nothing.

My understanding of Frum’s departure is he wanted to leave. Apparently Lowry the boy wonder asked him to stay until the Messiah’s inauguration. I don’t know how much of his stuff will be posted, but I’m guessing not much. I think Lowry realizes the Frummer is a liability. Frum, I think, will realize just how stupid the “Unpatriotic Conservative” article was. It played a very large part in fragmenting the movement. Jerry Pournelle, author, With Francis Kane, and Stefan Possony, of :Strategy of Technology” which was required reading at the War Colleges, a man who was part of Reagan’s kitchen cabinet, a man who placed his one and only body at risk on the ground in Korea, took serious umbrage at being called unpatriotic by an immigrant who was best categorized as a Chickenhawk. Pournelle calls him “the egregious Frum.” That’s far too generous, but Dr. Pournelle is a gentleman, even if he’s bit crusty at times. My descriptions run more to calling him a moron. Less gentile and charitable, but certainly not candy coated.

I agree that his “new Majority” will fail. Why would the voters go for leftist-lite, when they can have the real thing. The Dems dumped the Scoop Jackson wing and so Frum has no political home any longer. Knowing the damage he has done, I would be depressed in his situation.