http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/44281

Time to send the neocons back home to the left.

Political party is inmaterial to the Globalists‘ agenda. The C.F.R. crowd finds Hillary useful; indeed she is one of them.  Globalists, Neoconservatives and Neoliberals consider themselves to be “citizens of the world.”

The Globalist-Neocon-Neoliberal Axis wants to make the world safe for profit on the backs of and the lives of middle class and poor Americans (Blacks, Hispanics and Whites; all are expendable to the cause.) They want to retain American hegemony while they destroy America’s industrial base and make huge profits for themselves. 

In turn China gains the funds to increase its military and gain influence.  Oil rich sheiks buy up real estate in America and Europe; while spreading Islam...at the cost of human rights.  Perhaps the Globalist-Neocon-Neoliberal Axis should be called ”The Axis of Illogic” or “The Axis of Evil Stupidity.”

“[A]s the Israeli Air Force rained down hellfire and death on Lebanese children[in 2006], Mrs. Clinton, in a [Senate] campaign canard that gave cheap opportunism a bad name, averred that “Israel is standing for American values as well as Israeli ones.”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/nolan-m4.html

“What’s conservative about neoconservatives?”

Most, not necessarily all, neocons oppose gay marriage, oppose affirmative action, support the Second Amendment, oppose out-of-wedlock births, support the traditional family, support religion, are tough on crime, valorize individual responsibility, support assimilation as opposed to multiculturalism, oppose racial mau-mauing, support a classical “dead white males” liberal education...the list goes on.  You can find fault with the way they support some of these things, but to answer the Southern Avenger’s question: there’s a lot of overlap between neocon and paleocon ideology.

Oh yeah, for you New York City Takimag contributors, next time you walk down the street without getting mugged or stop at a traffic light without getting your windshield squeegeed, thank a neocon.  (James Q. Wilson.)

Here’s the real reason:
http://balooscartoonblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/obama-hillary-secretary-of-state-birth.html

@ploni

You wrote:

“Most, not necessarily all, neocons oppose gay marriage, oppose affirmative action, support the Second Amendment, oppose out-of-wedlock births, support the traditional family, support religion, are tough on crime, valorize individual responsibility, support assimilation as opposed to multiculturalism, oppose racial mau-mauing, support a classical “dead white males” liberal education...the list goes on.”

For the neocons, all of these issues take a backseat to war. Joe Lieberman is a neocon and is accepted by neocons precisely because of his views on foreign policy.

Jack

Ploni wrote:

“Most, not necessarily all, neocons ... oppose out-of-wedlock births ...”

Yes, by supporting abortion. That’s the number 1 evil to Christian conservatives. Neocons are neocons because they needed the Republican party to instigate wars on behalf of Israel when the Democrats wouldn’t do it for them. So spare me all their other “saintly” qualities. The bottom line is that neocons support the murder of babies in the womb and of our troops (and innocent Iraqis)in wars for Israel. They are the true Culture of Death, regardless of their views on other issues.

But don’t you think that the only reason H adopted these ‘neocon’ foreign policy positions is because she didn’t want to appear dovish in her campaign to get elected president, and that now she’s not got elected, her previous positions no longer serve her immediate interests and she’ll quite easily ditch them. You assume that H has principles and a coherent ideology. I doubt this.

Oh yeah, and the next time you get stabbed to death by a previously convicted illegal alien whilst trying to protect your infant daughter outside a convenience store, thank a sovereignty loathing, illegal alien loving neocon.  The murdered mother of five was Tina Davila who was stabbed to death while fending off Timoteo Rios, who subsequently fled for you know where, outside a Houston Area convenience store this past April.

So Ploni, without devolving into the personal, I hope beyond hope that you are in no wise serious.

As for the diminuitive Senator Graham, the only sufficient appellation is the one commonly linked with the word ant.

Mr. Hunter,
“For the neocons, all of these issues take a backseat to war. “

Don’t the folks at Takimag and the American Conservative do the same thing in reverse by happily getting in bed with the left, so long as these support either America’s withdrawal or defeat?

Why not actually be consistently conservative instead of mirror images of neocons?

Mr. Nolan,

If Mexican terrorists were shelling Texas, would you call the US murderers for using precision bombing attacks to take out launch sites?
Unless you hate borders, it seems to me that you are an inconsistent hater of Israel.

Ploni: “support assimilation as opposed to multiculturalism,”

I support “assimilation,” merge the ‘Palestinian territories’ with Israel; hold open elections.  Let the healing begin.

“...next time you walk down the street without getting mugged or stop at a traffic light without getting your windshield squeegeed, thank a neocon.”

Hey, if it works New York, it can work in Tel Aviv. 

“...oppose racial mau-mauing, support a classical “dead white males” liberal education...the list goes on.”

This is what Martin van Creveld, professor of military history at the Hebrew University has to say:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

“‘If it went on much longer,’ he said, ‘the Israeli government [would] lose control of the people. In campaigns like this, the anti-terror forces lose, because they don’t win, and the rebels win by not losing. I regard a total Israeli defeat as unavoidable. That will mean the collapse of the Israeli state and society. We’ll destroy ourselves.’”

Fair enough, the Africaaners felt the same way.

But then when asked about ethnically cleansing the Palestinians:

“‘That depends on who does it and how quickly it happens. We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.’”

Yup, those Africaaners were nothing but a bunch of filthy, “Nazis” and “supremacists”.  It is their well-deserved fate to be terrorized by savages.

Does anyone need me to ‘flesh this out’ or am I making myself clear?

If not, I would be more than happy to explain in my inimitably blunt style.

Well, I can’t resist a hint: V-1 and V-2 rockets.

And another: as I said to Gutzman, he must think White men are morons. 

One problem, some of us love our people, and if we cannot have our peoplehood, we would rather see the world burn to ashes.

Ploni and RonL, welcome back! I missed your NeoCon propaganda and I always admired your chutzpah.

This country can never come back unlees we dump Israel and get out of the middle east. We have plenty of energy right here just waiting to be developed. We have to get back to basics.That means America first.

I missed your NeoCon propaganda and I always admired your chutzpah.

Posted by Werner Hoermann

Let them have their “chutzpah,” White men have courage.  White men are, however, held to a higher standard, that is itself an implicit acknowledgement of “superiority.”

But, there is mercy, and there is suicidal tender-mindedness.  The best men of our race have always been willing to sacrifice themselves, having taken the gloves off, so that their people may live.

I heard an interesting quip from Noam Chomsky. He called putting the Obama economic team in charge of the economy was like putting Bin Laden in charge of counter-terrorism. He said they should be arrested for their part in the current mess.

Does this mean the conservatives are going to start a smear campaign against lefty Chomsky or is Chomsky really a conservative?

Obama is just repackaged Bush-Clintonism and the Republicans are thoroughly Neo-Conservative and the party leaders are proven to be devoid of any principles other than selfish greed and love of power. 

Obama might make the trains run on time. That would be a plus at any rate. I doubt it since neo-cons don’t govern well but you never know.

Exit NeoCons Stage Left

http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2004/08/exit-neocons-stage-left/

Bravo!  Hillary Clinton is an eager stooge of Aipac and Israeli militarists seeking permanent suppression of the legitimate national rights of the Palestinians, and she is eager for war with Iran if that is needed to keep the Israeli army’s yoke on the necks of the oppressed Palestinians in the West Bank.

Ploni does a good job of showing that not everything the neocons do or believe is wrong, nor is every bad idea neoconservative.

Durant: “I heard an interesting quip from Noam Chomsky.”

Chomsky says this in Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy:

“‘It should not be forgotten that the rapid descent to the depth of barbarish took place in the country that was the pride of Western civilization in the sciences, philosophy, and the arts; a country that before the hysterical propaganda of World War I had been regarded by many American political scientists as a model of democracy. One of Israel’s most prominent intellectuals, Amos Elon…describes the German Jewry of his youth as “the secular elite of Europe. They were the essence of modernism – leaders who made their livelihood from brainpowe and not from brawn, mediators and not workers of the land. Journalists, writers, scientists. If it all hadn’t ended so horribly, today we’d be singing the praises of Weimar culture. We’d be comparing it to the Italian Renaissance. What happened there in the fields of literature. psychology, painting and architecture didn’t happen anywhere else. There hadn’t been anything like it since the Renaissance. Not an unreasonable judgment.‘”

Gag!

How about this from Tolkien:

“The Captains bowed their heads; and when they loked up again, behold! their enemies were flying and the power of Mordor was scattering like dust in the wind. as when death smites the swollen brooding thing that inhabits their crawling hill and holds them all in sway, ants will wander witless and purposeless and then feebly die, so the creatures of Sauron, orc or troll or beast spell-enslaved, ran hither and thither mindless; and some slew themselves, or cast themselves in pits,or fled wailing back to hide in holes and dark lightless places , far from hope. But the men of Rhùn and of Harad, Easterling and Southron, saw the ruin of their war and the great majesty and glory of the Captains of the West,”

James Canning: “Hillary Clinton is an eager stooge of Aipac and Israeli militarists seeking permanent suppression of the legitimate national rights of the Palestinians,”

“...that is needed to keep the Israeli army’s yoke on the necks of the oppressed Palestinians in the West Bank.”

Oh?  Are those the only people with a right to a homeland and the right to exist?  What about your own damn people.

Even Chomsky won’t grant us that.  If you have read the quote of his I provide you will know why.

What they need to do, every last one of them, is to humble themselves before the “great majesty and glory” of the Men of the West.

They need to proclaim the rights and virtues of our people at the top of their lungs and beg our forgivness for the hideous crimes they have committed against us.

Some of us are sick unto death of all the nonsense, some of us refuse to be any longer afraid; some of us are still White men.

Actually, CaptainChaos, I think that racism is generally moronic.  It has led you to the stupid inference about me that marks your ad hominems against me.  Apparently, your syllogism is “White men agree with me.  Gutzman disagrees with me.  Gutzman is [insert ethnic descriptor here].”

My mother’s family name is “Young,” from Yorkshire, immigrated to Virginia in 1660.  My father’s family name is “Gutzmann,” from East Pomerania, immigrated to Idaho in 1877.  If you know German, and you know the history of Jews in Germany, you can tell by my name that I’m not Jewish.

However, that isn’t to say that I don’t think your racism sophomoric.  There is in fact no “white” ethnicity, as there is very little history that many white groups (Indians, Greeks, Arabs, Germans, et al.) share.  It’s a silly, albeit highly destructive, 19th-century fantasy that they all have something in common.

If conservatism is to be associated with “blood and soil” anti-semitism, a la Wagner, I’m sure I’m not the only Christian who’ll be hopping off the train.  Enough of that already.

Anyone at all surprised by Hillary @ State and the rest of the DLC, neocon-centric Clintonistas in the Obama cabinet is either impetuously optimistic or exceedingly gullible. The State that masquerades as the government of the lapsed Republic is interested in one thing and one thing only: the general health and welfare of the Pentagon. All manner of dewey-eyed speechifying will occur wherein democracy, liberty, human rights, economic growth and protection of the children will be bandied about but it is all subservient to an entrenched Cold War Spirit that views the world as a mechanized contest of will between States. It is a kind of drunken pathos, reflexive and self-regulating via media sanctification. We seem hard-wired for it.

One can blame it on the neo-cons but they are simply a symptom of a far deeper problem. They are the standard bearers of empire, heirs to Hearst’s yellow journalism. They paint the verbal pictures that soften up the public so that it will readily countenance the Will of the State to prosecute war. This sensationalistic crusaderism is bi-partisan .

We are now as remote from the productive traditions of the United States of America as Victorian England was from Classical Greece. The government and its supplicants engage in a mutually reinforcing psychosis. Fear..... in service to maintaining a sense of helplessness..... is the coin of the realm.

This story is as old as mankind and it has never ended well. We are the current “world’s oldest” or longest lasting democratic nation state in the modern era and are allowed this breezy status because democracy is obviously self-consuming. Bored Mayhem is our specialty and tribal warfare is its foundation.

That economic paralysis should be setting in means only that the doomed play is well into it’s final acts.
But, like Secretary Rice and Secretary-designate Clinton, there will be smiles all around and everyone will be most appreciative of the fine service to the “noble cause of freedom”. One simply cannot wait for the high sadistic comedy of the climactic scene as “former President Bush” cuts the ribbon at his planned “Freedom Institute”.

Good point, Gutzman
I think it´s stupid to associate conservatism with racial thinking as Chaos does, it doesn´t exactly helps the cause.

Gutzman (he isn’t a moron because he has a PhD, but I’m a “racist,” so I am - LOL!): “Actually, CaptainChaos, I think that racism is generally moronic.”

“Racism” is a fact of life.  Genetically distinct groups exist because they evolved geographically separately and underwent unique selective pressures; also, they have an evolved affinity for group members and an aversion to out-group members.  The name of the game of life is to pass on your genes.  And if not your own genes those genes that are most similar to your own, as in your ethny.  That is why your genetic interests are tied to your ethny.  That is altruism’s evolved function, to boost the reproductive fitness of group members via cooperation as they compete with out-groups for limited resources.  Check out On Genetic Interests by Frank Salter.  Also look into genetic similarity theory as conceptualized by Phillipe Rushton.

“It has led you to the stupid inference about me that marks your ad hominems against me.  Apparently, your syllogism is “White men agree with me.  Gutzman disagrees with me.  Gutzman is [insert ethnic descriptor here].””

“Gutzman” sounds Jewish, I Googled the name and came up with several Jews by that name.  That, combined with your evasive, slippery style of debate, along with your refusal to answer pointed questions made the inference sound in my mind.  You should check out the work of Kevin MacDonald.

“...I’m not Jewish.”

Okay.  So does that make your genocidal in implication prescriptions for White people (yes, realistically it is for Whites, not the Japs, not the Chinese, not Bantus, but Whites) any less destructive of the genetic interests of Whites?  So your not a Jew doing it to advance his group interests but just a race traitor?  I can respect Jews who are for their people.  I respect the late Rabbi Meir Kahane who is was an unashamed Jewish racialist.

True, Gutzman, you may be my brother in blood, but certainly not in honor.  HaHa!

You would flush down the cosmic toilet the hundreds of generations of blood and the untold sacrifices of our ancestors for your cheap moralism.  A PhD you may have, but a man you are not.

“However, that isn’t to say that I don’t think your racism sophomoric.”

If you are not a man who struggles for the existence of his people your entire existence is “sophomoric,” and if you cannot bring your self to process the clear and irrefutable evidence for the existence of race and its implications your intellectual life is ‘sophomoronic’.

“There is in fact no “white” ethnicity, as there is very little history that many white groups (Indians, Greeks, Arabs, Germans, et al.) share.”

HeHe!  When I say White I mean of European descent.  No, that does not include Jews, Gypsies, Indians or Arabs.  If you think various European ethnicities (yup, WHITE ethnicities) share no history (i.e., EUROPEAN HISTORY) then you don’t know history.  Nor are you abreast of the latest genetic data.  What you describe are non-European Caucasians, kinda like non-wolf canines, er, dogs.

I prescribe Salterian universal nationalism, to ensure the genetic continuity of all European ethnies as well as all ethnies.  Panmixia is genocide.

“If conservatism is to be associated with “blood and soil” anti-semitism, a la Wagner, I’m sure I’m not the only Christian who’ll be hopping off the train.”

Tell that to douche-bags like Abe Foxman, Charles Krauthammer, Franz Boas, Sigmund Freud and Noel Ignatiev.  I’m not an anti-Semite (I will not deny Jews the necessary means to ensure their genetic continuity - their ability to exist), I’m just not, in the main, a philo-Semite.  Nor am I a Negrophile.  What I am is pro-White.

“Enough of that already.”

Sorry, just getting started.  White Nationalism is the future.

Gutzman is setting up a strawman.  Today “white” = Euorpean or or European descent.  Arabs are not white. 

Indians certainly are not white.  See:

“Classical anthropology often placed South Asians and North Africans in the same taxonomic group as Europeans and designated them both as Caucasoids. But modern genetic studies, such as those by L. L. Cavalli-Sforza, show the South Asians/North Africans are a surprisingly distinct “genetic cluster”. They can be distinguished from Europeans to their north as well as from sub-Saharan Africans to their south and the other Asian groups to their east.”

http://www.vdare.com/rushton/070926_indians.htm

But white people share a lot in common.  See Sailer:

“Cavalli-Sforza’s team compiled extraordinary tables depicting the “genetic distances” separating 2,000 different racial groups from each other. For example, assume the genetic distance between the English and the Danes is equal to 1.0. Then, Cavalli-Sforza has found, the separation between the English and the Italians would be about 2.5 times as large as the English-Danish difference. On this scale, the Iranians would be 9 times more distant genetically from the English than the Danish, and the Japanese 59 times greater. Finally, the gap between the English and the Bantus (the main group of sub-Saharan blacks) is 109 times as large as the distance between the English and the Danish. (The genetic distance between Japanese and Bantus is even greater.)”

http://www.isteve.com/RealityofRace.htm

Blood and soil patriotism (which does not have to be anti-semetic) is the basis of any real conservatism.

Mr. Hoermann,
I am in no way a neocon.
I don’t believe in democratizing the Muslims world; but in containing it.
I believe in the right of nation states to exist and support Western nations as such. I despise the EU not because it is Tranzi instead of Trans-corporatist, but because it is destroying traditional European countries and purposely merging them with the Arab world. I despise Sarkozy and all De Guallists for being Quislings in the creation of Eurabia.

In the US, I want to see an expulsion of illegal immigrants, the false citizenship stripped from anchor babies, and immigration reduced.

For heavens sake, I debated for and voted for Pat Buchanan in 2000! To call me a neocon is to make a world a meaningless slur.

RonL: “I don’t believe in democratizing the Muslims world; but in containing it.”

Good man.  Arabs have IQs in the mid to high 80’s.  Lost cause.  Let them sell the last of their oil and then go back to sucking sand.

“I believe in the right of nation states to exist and support Western nations as such.”

Damn straight.  All peoples have the right to exist.  That is Salterian nationalism.

“In the US, I want to see an expulsion of illegal immigrants, the false citizenship stripped from anchor babies, and immigration reduced.”

I would like to see all non-White post 1965 immigrants stripped of citizenship, them and their off-spring, and repatriated them.  America was once 90% White, and it still would be if it weren’t for all the anti-White filth who labored to change that.  America will be 90% White again.

Now, all you have got to do is support the criminalization of miscegenation, as it once was, and you are an alright guy in my book.

MISCEGENATION = GENOCIDE

The Iraq war is the key issue that will never allow the neocons and the paleocons to be allies. It defines both views because it influences (and in the neocon’s case perverts) all other issues. The Iraq war’s impact on the ecomony is clear and indisputable. That is unless you are a neocons and use faulty economics to equate a dollar spent on war to a dollar spent on infrastructure. Money spent on war is down a rathole. Money spent on infrastructure is useful to us. 

I have to laugh at zionist warmonger Ron L claiming he is not a neocon. If he voted for Pat Buchanan in 2000 (which I don’t believe) he must be cock-eyed and had one of those Ballots in Florida that had Lieberman-Gore lined up close to Buchanan and got them confused.

Don’t know if you guys caught this, but King NeoCon arm chair quarterback, Max Boot, is liking Obama’s National Security team.

http://tinyurl.com/5g4f9a

Sorry for linking to the Kings/Queens of War Porn, Commentary Mag.

RonL:
I apologize if I mistook you for a NeoCon. Your position on the Israeli/palestinian conflict certainly made me think so.
But then again, I am not opposed to hearing the NeoCon arguments, since I do not participate in these discussons to push a certain point of view, but to educate myself. And the NeoCons seem to believe in their cause, so I am listening to their argumentation. However, so far I fail to see the validity of their arguments, unless they are ideed simply despicable evil people and I am not yet ready to accept that.

Neocons in power or prominence are generally 80% evil, 40% stupid, with NPod registering at 120% Evil, 40% Stupid, and JPod 40% Evil and 120% stupid.  (They represent the extremes.) Go down the power chain and one of evil or stupid gradually gets replaced by “duped” or “deluded”.

If the Neo-cons were indeed evil, combatting their delusions would be a lot easier. But they are not. They are simply professionals at what they do best.

Like all arch Statist parasites, they insinuate themselves into the Bureaucracy, endear themselves to the jingoists, infiltrate the establishment press and in general, enrich themselves while the host degenerates....before, of course, hopping to another host.  If one of the definitions of ‘conservatives” is a devotion to established customs, then they are aptly named because they are the great freebooters and standard bearers of empire......jealously guarding the salons and always the first in line to pocket the rewards of war.

Neo-conservatives are the fullest realization of the Neo-Democracy ....Democracy at Debt financed Gunpoint....Movement that is busily tearing the Constitution of the United States of America to shreds. Admittedly, they are not always wrong. Being professionals in the more sordid aspects of human expectations, they are afforded frequent opportunities to be right....in all the wrong ways.

They will perform a valuable historic service to the lapsed-Republic by providing a comprehensive list of malefactors responsible for the national suicide now unfolding. Their rhetoric insures that the lesson will not be that the United States failed because it was wrong but that it failed because it gave up on its core principles and embraced the pox of modernity: The Relativism of Morality. This does not make them evil, it makes them the handmaidens of evil, an altogether more contemptible thing.