I’m not making this up, but it was exactly the moment when kristol said he was behind Palin that I knew it was a horrible mistake by mcain.  and http://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/magcover.jpg

lo and behold.  poor sister sarah

Richard,

You are one of the few in this sad pack of losers called the paleo movement who understand what it takes to survive.  VP Palin is the ONLY chance we have in the next election to keep the nation from going completely under.  Obama will sink us further and faster than Bush ever could and Biden and McCain are not better by much.

Others are spending their days coming up with reasons why she isn’t perfect, as if only a perfect candidate is acceptable.  I’ll take my chances with a women of her backround and a man of McCain’s health.

Well, it’ll be interesting to see how Palin reacts when McCain starts singing his “Bomb Iran” song onstage or when he flips out trying to defend eternal war against our Islamosatanic enemies.

And frankly, what does it say about her that she accepted to be McCain’s running mate- knowing full well that Lieberman’s running the show and that the Oval Office will become even more infested with neo-cons? 

With the neo-cons in office, she’ll be relegated to the Quayleian position of visiting elementary schools and staying away from making decisions.

Why is it that all I can think about is what Mark Hanna said when the idea of nominating Teddy Roosevelt as McKinley’s VP in 1900 came up: “Don’t you realize that there will only be one man’s breath between that God-damned cowboy and the White House?” Biden may be a quintessential hack, but he isn’t much of a loose cannon.

McCain-Palin is our only chance to stop BHO.I detest this radical,arrogant, leftist.I, by no stretch of the imagination am a fan of McCain-BUT I realize we must stop Obama. BO would be the most leftist president in the history of this country. So get off your nitpicking nonsense and support our last hope to preserve a European oriented society. Obama means a sickening victory for muticulturalism.

european oriented?

Kristol’s extolation of Palin could simply be that he completely backs McC, loathes and distrusts Obama, and recognizes the electoral leverage of having her on the ticket. 

It’s also quite likely he didn’t know about her Buchananization. 

Probably has the hots for her, too.

The paleos and neocons have been engineered by McCain into an unwritten but de facto truce.  The admiral’s son is no dummy.  Kristol is just as surprised as we are to find himself working with us again as in ‘92.

The video of Kristol from ABC News shows that Kristol has the inside scoop that Palin is in consideration and he is just playing the jocular scoopmeister role that you are supposed to play to have value on those shows.  He is not touting her, for real.  The real Kristol is the NY Times Op-Ed writer who as late as 8/24 dismisses Palin with one line:

http://tinyurl.com/6lkxb4

...and makes a hearty endorsement of Liebermann.  To which McCain replies, “Nothing doing.” McCain knows that he has sold the neocons that he will execute their agenda and that the neocons are deathly afraid of a President Obama (Biden’s hawkishness being a mere bagatelle).  McCain sees the neocons getting too greedy in wanting Liebermann also.  McCain wants to win and knows Palin can help him.  One of the ways she helps him is by her mere presence on the ticket, which forges this temporary truce.  It has worked on me: I have switched my vote from Nader to McCain.  The neocons have to swallow Palin and just pray that she doesn’t gel into real presidential candidate material.

Arianna has her vengeance:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

["Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan."]

The Palin admirers in this and other paleo/libertarian sites can go ahead and send your sons and daughters (or even volunteer yourselves) to do what Palin considers God’s work in Iraq and try to preserve a doomed militaristic society.

Yes Richard, there is an inner Joe Liberman waiting there and the wily Kristol knows it. And yes, she has already disowned Pitchfork Pat, so dream on.....

A father is misreading Palin’s prayer.  It is in the subjunctive mood. It is a very clever prayer. She is explicitly *not* saying that it is God’s work.  and traditionally, you can always pray for the soldiers qua soldiers: 

“PRIEST: For our civil authorities and all our armed forces, let us pray to the Lord. PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.” Liturgy of S. John Chrysostom (which Taki prays every Sunday, no? (-:  )

Paleos that vote for McCain, are set to use Palin as there excuse for pulling the lever for yet another warmonger, just like “he ran on a humble foreign policy” was the excuse for voting for Bush.

Samuel

We can start splitting hairs like here:

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/02/palin-our-leaders-are-sending-our-troops-to-iraq-on-a-task-from-god/

My impression is similar to Eric Garris’: she sounds like a dangerous theocrat.

At any rate, as an American, I have already been damned by Obama’s priest, and now consigned to hell by Palin’s priest (for criticizing Bush).

We live in interesting times.....

Amen brother Dylan. I keep wondering which war Bush and McCain will be pushing? The one with Iran or the one with Russia. With the current provocation level I would expect Russia to put a bunch of divisions in Belarus and on the Ukrainian border. They can cut off the gas and oil and wait for the over reaction from the White House. Then a punitive Lord Roberts type of strike to bloody Polish noses and retake half of the Ukraine as a buffer. Boot the Yanks out of the home of the Black Sea Fleet.

“she sounds like a dangerous theocrat.”

Can we please respect the English language and quit overusing the word theocrat? I would like someone to show me an American politician who can accurately be called a theocrat.

I don’t know if “a father” is a libertarian, but the godless libertarian Gestapo can’t write a coherent sentence about any person of faith without throwing out the t word. It is a meaningless boogie word.

Where are we getting the info that she was for Buchanan anyway? Maybe she was in ‘96, but this link makes it clear she was for Steve Forbes in 2000, a serious error in judgment, IMO.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics

The making of an insider : That a ‘Bill Kristol’ even still exists with his track-record is testament to our
current SLAVERY. I am one who is insulted, that insult is added to injury, and that candidates suggest at this
point they are going to “Fix” Washington D.C. - Washington D.C. has been *fixed for a long time. I’ll never
vote again until the candidate says he or she is going to DESTROY Washington D.C. It’s getting to the point
(not so humorously speaking) if Putin says that, like Krushev once did, I might vote for him - can we send
ballots in to Russia - in the global vorld? After all isn’t that ‘democracy.’

Well, you have been damned to hell by Palins priest for criticizing Bush.

As for Kristol, he is always wrong.

Its ironic that some would vote for the radical left [neo-crazies] to keep the non-radical left out of power so the ‘right’ [[whatever that is/was ]]team can win[?] which would continue eternal war plans of the crazies who seem intent on making Orwells 1984 come to pass.

Palin would be a lame duck from day one and her job would be one of photo-ops and talking points while the morons talk about how ‘hot’ she is as if that qualifies her for office.

Red Phillips makes a very good point about abusing the word theocrat.  Could we use quasi-theocrat or pseudo-theocrat instead?  A proper theocracy would have God in direct command.  This might involve the Word coming from a burning bush in the Capitol itself, verifiable as to no tricks.  Anyone claiming to act as God’s local agent is highly suspect, especially when claiming that disagreement with his (as opposed to verifiably His) word is Satanic or at least obviously misguided.

Red Stcoking:

“Biden may be a quintessential hack, but he isn’t much of a loose cannon. “

Perhaps you mispoke here??  Biden is a textbook case loose cannon with an evil violent streak to boot.  He has a track record of making visits to foreign countries and yelling his head off at senior ranking government types when they cross him.  Many describe him as not having a diplomatic bone in his body. 

Please note:  he was the co-sponsor, with John McCain, of the Senate bill approving Clinton’s aggression against Serbia, both he and McCain have close ties to the Albanian lobby (whose money is often laundered drug money), and both are highly outspoken in their hate for all things, all actions, and all peoples Russian.  In addition to “Bomb-Bomb Iran” we have a bipartisan hard-on for war with all the world’s Orthodox peoples also. 

I cannot imagine that Palin will be able to temper any of the insanity towards which this country marches.

It seems the basis of protestantism is people having private revelations concerning the will of the Lord. Oral Roberts spoke to God and was told to pass on to the people they needed to pony up more bucks. Bush’s followers said he was doing God’s will and I think he inferred God told him to invade Iraq.

The Pope is the heir of St Peter but even they have rarely invoked Papal infallibility over the last 2000 years and that only applies to Church doctrine.

Dominionists say God’s law trumps man’s law and want to impose that law on the country. This is something that scares me as a Catholic since I am pleased with B16 and afraid of what the heretics are up to a lot of the time. Pope Joel Osteen and Pope Creflo Dollar make me wish we had a Pope Agapetus I around to send the heretics packing. “I came looking for a most Christian Emperor Justinian and found a Diocletion.”

My point about Paulin being more of a loose cannon than Biden has to do with Ms. Paulin’s way of thinking.  See today’s NY Times column by David Brooks.  Biden is much more likely to be a Throttlebottom and not an instigator.  This could actually be a good thing, given that Mr. Brooks suspects that Ms. Paulin may lack the practical political sense to let sleeping dogs lie.  Granted, the world is a dreadful mess, but activism has its dangers, as we should be well aware.

Have any of you ever read Obama’s speeches given at various think tanks, especially the one in Chicago? They’re on his web site.

You’ll find that he is just as militarist as Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, except that he believes we need to pour money into nation building, especially Africa. And that old blood ‘n guts gas bag, Joe Biden, his war mentor, agrees with him. Like it or not, with either of the candidates, there will be more unnecessary wars.

Pick your poison.

Meant to say more money into nation building. Sorry

Red Philllips

I plead guilty to rhetorical excess and abuse of the King’s language. Words like “Gestapo,” “theocrat,” or “Nazi” are often improperly used to make a point. As far as my philosophy goes, I believe in Washington’s ideals on entangling alliances and I am Jeffersonian, not a Hamiltonian. Unfortunately, my language suffers from having educated in public schools and I apologize if it is not on par with the skills you and some of the others who may be critical of me exhibit when it comes to such constructs.

Mara

You are absolutely right when you say “Pick your poison.” I am an expat and exposed to a lot more foreign coverage. Here is an article from Der Spiegel that highlights some of the militarism of Obama and his advisors. Even Angela Merkel was apparently shocked during private conversations with Obama:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,575581-2,00.html

(I have to split my comments into multiple posts since it looks like the web site won’t allow me to write a single long post)

As far as Palin, thanks to Arianna’s vengeance, and a lot of other exposure to the corrupt Alaskan political world, it appears that Palin is as ruthless as any other clever politician in getting what she wants. What a surprise! She has disowned Buchanan despite what some of you want to believe, she has promptly paid homage to AIPAC, and is repeating McCain’s insanity about “poor” Georgia etc., etc.

She has already done what Obama wants to do at the national level, and if her policies below are not redistributing wealth, what is?

http://dwb.adn.com/news/government/legislature/story/9379552p-9292890c.html

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/08/29/palin-uninspiring-tax-policy-record/

Even the NEA approves her:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/nea-responds-naming-alaska-gov/story.aspx?guid={F8A21131-2F78-4051-A447-F7AFDC4127D1}&dist=hppr

("In her less than two years as the state’s chief executive officer, she was able to increase per-pupil education spending, and she is opposed to sending public money to support private schools through political schemes like vouchers.")

It is fascinating. Election after election, you can always count on many of the paleos looking for any and all excuses to come home to the GOP. Even if they nominate someone like McCain who advocates perpetual war for perpetual peace. Why bother even thinking about St. Augustine’s just war theory? Palin is here to rescue us, let us march on and pull the lever for McCain!!! It is outrageous if Obama sends our kids to slaughter, it is ok if McCain does it, after all we have Palin on McCain’s side!

Neither Biden, nor Palin changes the fundamental equation. A militaristic empire is doomed as history shows and our children and grand children will bear the burden. “If any question why we died/ Tell them, because our fathers lied."--Rudyard Kipling

OK, I have been turned around here a little. I don’t know who to vote for now.  I am going to listen to her speech tonight.  If she strikes populist/traditionalist tones and uses less than the GOP Minimum Daily Requirement of neocon/Newt Gingrich nostrums, she has my vote again.  If not, I am going back to Nader.

P.S. I am not bothered by her being an aggressive-for-Alaska governor.  Get real!
P.P.S.  She has to disown Pat or she’ll be off the ticket in two minutes.  But we know she was for him.  Pat probably told her in 1999 that he was on a trajectory for the Reform Party and she knew that as an elected Republican she couldn’t brook that.  But we all know she supported Pat at one time with her time and $.  That’s good enough for me.

It would be nice if Mrs. Palin does well in a losing McCain effort.  But by all means McCain must lose, Obama’s incompetence should be revealed, and the neo-conservatives should be discredited.

Isn’t it possible that sometimes even neoconservatives could be, maybe for once, just once feel honest admiration for a woman without having some hidden agenda?

I think that Kristol could just like the idea of a strong conservative woman in charge.

He’s often wrong on many things, especially immigration and foreign policy, but, never forget, that neocons rose to the top through something they were good at: realism towards domestic policy. I think that’s Palin’s stronghold too.

Ethan

I want to get “real.” Are you suggesting that it is ok to tax the “windfall profits” of oil companies and sending checks to the citizens to offset gasoline price increases is ok as long as Palin does it in Alaska, but not ok if Obama does it at the national level?

As far as her “support” for Pat, while she was “supporting” Pat, she also happened to be one of the co-chairs of the Alaska campaign for Steve Forbes for President in 1999, so obviously she spent a lot of time and $ for Pat on behalf of Steve Forbes!!!!

“That a ‘Bill Kristol’ even still exists with his track-record is testament to our
current SLAVERY. “

nice!

Ethan

By the way, there is no need to worry about her speech. A generic “masculine” speech that was prepared before Palin was made the pick, is now being transformed appropriately.....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_manager_this_election_i.html

I actually thank McCain’s campaign manager for having stated the obvious: “This election is not about issues,” said Davis. “This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

But we all know she supported Pat at one time with her time and $.

Really?  We “know” this, in spite of the lack of any evidence?  Or do I just not know the secret code that grants me access to the restricted areas of the Anchorage Daily News archives, with the articles about her attendance at fundraising dinners, the amounts of the checks that she wrote, and the hours she spent handing out Buchanan literature and putting up yard signs?

Palin no doubt supported Buchanan because it paid dividends in Alaska. When in Washington, she’ll assume the shape of that container, like every other politician. She’ll extoll the virtues of the State and dutifully preside over that massive Bunko Operation called the U.S. Congress. After all, she’s from Alaska where Earmarks are a high art.

But to be sure, we’ll hear a continuous paean to “reform” because it is one of the longest running titillating acts in the Beltway Burlesque. At least Ms. Palin will look better in fishnets and a feather boa than “Maverick McCain”......one of the Keating Five we so conveniently forget.

“Got Milk?”.........Well....you’d be better served by Qualudes and Tokay.

Meh, the way I see it, even if she does end up being just as pro-war as McCain and Obama (which I doubt would end up being the case), she’s still a better pick than either of them.

I can’t imagine her (or anyone outside of a mental asylum) being *more* pro-war than either of them, so we should look to her positions on other issues.  And I think most of us like what we’ve seen so far.  Still, we should be cautious: we haven’t seen *much* yet, and we really would look like fools if it turned out we’d been duped.

“she sounds like a dangerous theocrat.”

There’s a big difference between a very Christian candidate (which essentially means a strong sense of Western morality) and a theocrat.

I would much rather vote for a Christian than an Atheist, if those were my only choices.  Christianity teaches a system of morality and ethics handed down by God . . . atheism teaches morality and ethics as originating within us, and look at the results.

hey!.... what happened to my posts?

Lew Rockwell is right. Come Home America
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/calamity-of-bush-conservatism.html
You might say that many have opposed this administration privately. You might say the same thing about the Stalin, Hitler, and Mao administrations. Those who could speak out against the wickedness, and did not do so, are morally culpable.

What does this tell us? It tells us that conservatism as we once knew it is hopelessly corrupted. You can detect it at cocktail parties, where self-identified conservatives sneer at the very idea of liberty.

Clearly, in the age of Bush, conservatism now constitutes as great or even greater threat to American liberty than the left and left-liberalism. It is long past time for every right-thinking American to reject the term conservative as a self-description.

I for one no longer believe that Bush has betrayed conservatives. In fact, he has fulfilled conservatism, by completing the redefinition of the term that began many decades ago with Bill Buckley and National Review. Think of it realistically. What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night.

There comes a time in the life of every believer in freedom when he must declare, without any hesitation, to have no attachment to the idea of conservatism.

Spencer,

Why don’t you state the obvious. The neocon (Jews) would never vote for an America-first individual like Buchanan who would put America before Israel. They are all about Israel. They just don’t give a sh!t about America. Do you get it?!

Oh yeah,

One more thing. You suck ass!!! Stop bothering to write. And knock it off with the ip blocking!