This says it all.

I’d quibble with one point: Our era of relative self-sufficiency (using imports only when needed, exports only when advantageous) lasted until about 1970, not until WW2.  And our period of total prosperity, not coincidentally, also lasted until 1970.

the currency is the main issue.  seriously, takeaway the governments power and they can’t create problems

It is obvious to all that the root of the problem was the housing bubble which was the result of mortgages issued to people who could not afford those mortgages. This was pushed by GSEs Fannie and Freddie which were created by Gov’t. legislation. This was facilitated by massive credit creation by the Federal Reserve, which is a private organization created by Gov’t. legislation. And those who profited from all this, Wall Street financial types, have now been saved by Gov’t action, soon to be ratified by Gov’t legislation.

So those who caused the problem are tasked to solve it? So why does anyone believe that Gov’t will create conditions for market economies to function properly? Welcome to the USSA (United Soviet States of America). Like the Patriot Act after 911, crisis are used to implement permanent authoritarian measures. The globalists get what they want at the expense of us mere pigeons. Remember that finance is derivative, not creative of real wealth such as manufacturing. Finance merely moves money around, and when they win, somebody loses in a zero-sum game. Guess who will be the losers?

This is the death knell of American/Western civilization.

An outstanding column.  This man should have been president.

Don’t forget how the unions contributed to this mess.  I think it was in the early seventies or eighties that Bob Dylan sang about how ‘they don’t make anything here anymore’ and ‘sure was a good idea till greed got in the way’ on the song Union Sundown.

“the baby boomers, oblivious and self-indulgent to the end, have frittered away.”

I resent that, we had little, if anything, to do with it.  We don’t even know if our elections are free and fair.  I put the blame on the media for not giving the kind of people we need elected in this country any kind of worthwhile platform. 

I repeat, as a baby boomer, it’s not got anything to do with me.

The corporate model where the officers bear no personal responsibillity is decidedly non-conservative in nature.  It encourages what amounts to extremely high stakes gambling with other people’s money.  It allows the officers to take advantage of government handouts to business and exploit resources then walk away with the loot and leave the stockholders and employees destitute.

as long as the government has the ability monetarily to carry out some combination of their and the electorates version of national greatness, wether that is waging war on iran or having national healthcare, solving global warming or what have you we are doomed.

It’s like a massive obsessive compulsive disorder.  it’s not enough for us to notice that , say, Don imus has made an improper remark.  we don’t say “wow I can’t believe he said that” and go on with out day.  we have to imagine we are in this “community” and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.  and unfortunately, we have the ability to follow through with this desire.

the problem with dictatorships is less that the evil people in charge get to have their way but that there IS the power to do huge gigantic things too easily. 

we need to take away the power to do huge things easily wether the actions are ones we see as good or bad.  it’s the only way

The older I get, the more I understand why Einstein said in his latter years that he wished he’d been a simple clockmaker.

This isn’t only the baby boomers’ fault. I lump the boomer leaders like Bush and Clinton in with their “silent generation” predecessors like Cheney and McCain, who’s insecure machismo put us on our current warmongering trajectory.

And both generations were unduly influenced by the glorification of WWII as the greatest thing since sliced bread by—you guessed it—the “greatest generation,” which made boomers/silenters simultaneously spoiled-rotten, insecure, and itching to go out and glorify their own generations the same way the WWII generation was glorified. Bush and Cheney are the epitome of this. (Yet another example of the unintended consequence of war.)

It’s seems generations x, y and z are destined to pay for the sins, greed, folly and narcissism of the preceding three. I wouldn’t want to be an old boomer fuddy-duddy at the mercy of caretakers from generations xyz. After they’re robbed and beaten, they’ll likely be fed to the dogs. Poetic justice?

@Chris Moore,

We have mythologized as heroic accomplishments what should be only viewed as a collosal tragedy.  This lack of perception has led to the destructive policies that you pointed out.  It is pitiful to watch the same pretensions to heroism applied to our tragedy occurring in the middle east.

Even in our worst financial crisis, the powers that be (PTB) won’t stop the immigration that is pulling us down.  The housing crisis as Steve Sailer has shown is from lending to blacks and Hispanics who were bad credits.  But Asian H-1B’s also keep down wages.  The Wall St firms also pressure Asian H-1B’s and thus other employees to produce low value at risk numbers for credit swaps and CDO’s.

All the major malefactors will be meeting this weekend to put together a “comprehensive” plan for our salvation. The BEAST is sitting down at the table ready for the feast of its dreams.

This mess was engineered by those graduates of our finest law and business schools – Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Chicago, Stanford and a few others.  Almost to a man they never wore the uniform of their country.  Leadership and creation of real wealth was subordinated to financial chicanery.  They will try to lie and finagle their way out of this, but it will not work.

Buchanan’s and Tom Brokaw’s Greatest Generation has long had a highly inflated opinion of their part in World War II.  The war was not won by the “Good Guys”, but by the big battalions of Stalin in Europe.  Japanese fear of being occupied by Russia had much to do with their surrender.

Contrary to long accepted American opinion, Europe in World War II when forced to choose between Hitler and Stalin, chose Germany.  Pat has tried to get this across to the minute percentage of American public that reads.  However, it denies public perception and is so repugnant to so many they will not believe it.

American leadership has failed.  Perhaps Putin can do better.

Keeping the grotesquely expensive US war machine on duty in Iraq is helping to push the US toward bankruptcy.  G W Bush’s decision to decline to engage with Syria and Iran, to allow an orderly withdrawal of all American forces from Iraq, was a colossal strategic blunder.  Bob Woodward seems to be doing his best to camouflage this further idiocy on Bush’s part.

Our collapse is as much a failure by the Right as the Left. I hate to agree with Nancy Pelosi, but we really are trapped by our self-fabricated system of privatized profits and socialized losses. Business risk carries no healthy admonition if government is standing by to rescue corporate catastrophe; greed is free to flourish and infect with vigor. But despite every argument the Right can make, deregulation DID play its part in this mess. Government should protect the public from overweening financial piggishness as much as from thieves on streetcorners. That prattle about a market unencumbered by regulation automatically “correcting” itself is garbage. Unchecked greed fuels violent monetary adjustments that grind to paste the most vulnerable among us.

Finally… what’s more important? Our balance sheets… or our humanity?

“This mess was engineered by those graduates of our finest law and business schools – Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Chicago, Stanford and a few others.”

The only turn of events that could possibly save this country is a populist war against the elites, who have no loyalty to anyone or anything except themselves, Zionism (which is a rallying keystone to their violent internationalist globalization scam) and their own pocket books. Truly Godless Mammonites.

Buchanan is a longtime ideologically-driven proponent of deregulation. Yet deregulation of the financial sector is the prime cause of this crisis. His bromides would be more convincing if he would admit for once that he was wrong, and unequivocally state that strong regulation of the banks and financial institutions is needed.

What a crock. Unions? They were gutted years ago. Blacks and Mexicans? When a bank tells people to lie about income and offers no down payment loans its flat out fraud. They skimmed their profit and passed up the line. A guy loses his job when a corporation moves it overseas and he loses his medical. His house is gone cause he is only renting from a bank.

Deregulation of the Savings and Loans under Reagan gave us the Keating 5 and $1.2T in bailouts. Greenspan and Phil Gramm’s deregulation and Republican policy to ignore Wall Street and their glorification of greed and cut throat capitalism has been a Republican mantra.

Cut taxes, deficits don’t matter, the Pope doesn’t know what he is talking about, the Constitution is a damn piece of paper, trile the “defense” budget and deploy Star Wars non-functioning system, mal-administration of the government will show people that government can’t be trusted, and culture wars against the libs have been the mantra of the Republicans marching in lock step from Bush to the Republican controlled Congress. Pelosi is a joke and the Senate is deadlocked by the Republicans and the veto pen and Democratic cowardice have run the institution into sewage pond. 

Pat Buchanan said vote for Bush and vote for the Republicans every election cycle. Red staters just love Sarah Palin and War Hero POW McCain who is surrounded by lobbyists and Phil Gramm and Fiorina who almost destroyed HP and Buchanan is saying whoppeee. Vote McCain. Victory will be ours.

Unlike most of the “conservatives” on this site, Wick Allison, the former publisher of the National Review is still disgusted at the national socialist criminal racket that is the Republican party. If Pat Buchanan is upset he should look in a mirror and give himself a good talking too.

Ben:

The following looks to me like the admission you seek—“Yet, who got us into this mess if not the government . . . Congress and the SEC by liberating Wall Street and failing to step in and stop the drunken orgy?”

I was going to chime in that this was a suprising pro-regulation note, albeit in ill-fitting anti-government garb, but I decided not to until I saw your comment.

And I’m sympathetic to Pat’s mixed feelings: just because you think there is too much regulation does not necessarily mean you favor lax administration of the existing regulatory scheme that you might wish to reform more fundamentally when feasible.

In this thread we once again see numerous people opining that “regulation” would prevent the development of bubbles in particular sectors of the economy when the Fed is aggressively inflating the money supply.  Americans of all stripes seem to have a naive faith that government can prevent the sun from coming up in the morning and the earth from rotating on its axis, if only it is applied properly.  Where did this stupid idea come from?

The government isn’t the solution, to borrow a phrase, it is the problem.  FDR didn’t save the USA from the Depression:  he prolonged it.  The Fed, as Milton Friedman won a Nobel Prize in Economics for proving, CAUSED it.

Just as it has caused the current problems.  It seems, however, that people of virtually all political stripes are happy to see the government go on the hook for trillions—with a “t”—more liabilities rather than seeing investors lose money when their corporations go bankrupt.  This means transferring money from the entire population (which suffers from inflation) into the pockets of the affected investors (which gets the benefits).

The “solution” to this government malfeasance will be ... more power for the government.  More “regulation.” After all, we know that Obama and Biden, Palin and McCain are economic geniuses, or else they wouldn’t be politicians.  And of course they personally have all the information they need to decide which businesses succeed and which fail, despite the verdict of the market.  (See Hayek’s _The Road to Serfdom_ on that one.  He’s another one of those ill-informed Nobel Prize winners in Economics, so perhaps his aversion to “regulation” will be unappealing to some.)

Amazing.  All amazing.  It’s a shame that I and mine usually get the kind of government that our fellow citizens deserve.

@ Ed
How would this war look? Everyone is out for himself, thereby fueling anarchy, which is just what the elites want. They will have their excuse to wipe us out or put us in camps.

As James Moore said in a blog.

Conservative Republicans always want the government to stay out of business and avoid regulation as long as they are making lots of money. When their greed, however, gets them into a fix, they are the first to cry out for rules and laws and taxpayer money to bail out their businesses. Obviously, Republicans are socialists. The Bush administration has decided to socialize the debt of the big Wall Street Firms. Taxpayers didn’t get to enjoy any of the big money profits on the phony financial instruments like derivatives or bundled sub-prime paper, but we get the privilege of paying for their debt and failures.

Spain is in an uproar because McCain said they are an unfriendly nation. Apparently he prefers to re-fight the Spanish-American War. Most Spaniards I know are pretty white but they speak Spanish so count as part of the brown peril. At least McCain is getting the Klan ready to start lynching and burning crosses which should make Paul G & fans happy.

Corporate bailouts of companies is a farce.  Whenever I put money into a loser I just ended up losing money.  I didn’t get to go to the government and ask for my money back.  The best I can do is decrease my tax burden.

@ BigD,

It’s has to be an ideological, cultural and philosophical war against the elite, carried out on the internet, in letters to the editor, in everyday conversation…wherever possible (since the elite control the mass media).

I have taken to referring to the Democrats and Republicans as “the two-party regime,” as Washington is the axis of the corrupt elites, and the two parties share far more in common than their superficial differences, both standing for open borders, globalization, Zionism, warmongering, subordination of the interests of average Americans to those of the wealthy corporate oligarchy that owns them, etc. Both are hostile to Christianity, as their championing of Islamic Kosovo and enmity towards the re-arisen Orthodox Christian Russia demonstrate. Sure enough, measures like school voucher redeemable at private Christian schools go nowhere in the U.S.—even when the ostensibly pro-Christian GOP had the presidency and controlled Congress. Meanwhile, death by a thousand cuts to Christian culture and values is encouraged in every way, shape and form by the federal apparatus, in the public schools, and by Washington’s smut-pedaling Godless Capitalist partners.

It really all does come down to a concerted effort to replace the authority of Christianity (the basis of Western civilization) with some Godless, borderless, money and market worshipping New World Order. Of course, the useful idiots in Washington will never acknowledge it; many probably are too narcissistic and self-important to be aware of it.

But both sides play the same game: pay lip service to the agenda of the base, even as you stab them in the back once elected by jumping right into the corrupt Washington culture and using their insider status to ring average Americans for all they’re worth on behalf of the values of the N.W.O. elite.

Enron! Remember that fiasco where only a few $billion were lost. And the law was thrown at Ley and Skilling for peanuts. Now we are talking about $trillions.

I would advise that your political leaders and newspapers be contacted DEMANDING that all those who committed fraud as officials of the major financial companies and officials who lied under oath be prosecuted for Fraud and/or Perjury.

1) Financial companies and banks who originated, marketed and held the toxic derivatives and then valued them on their balance sheets despite having no idea of their worth are guilty of Fraud. Indict the officers of all these companies.

2) Many government officials and corporate officials testified under oath to Congress. People like Bernanke and Greenspan should be Indicted for Perjury.

Kevin, apparently you do not know that economics is just a pretend science. Nothing these gasbags do “proves” anything. Remember Long Term Capital Management, they proved something too. They proved that a Nobel prize proves nothing since when Black and Scholes put their Nobel prize winning theories to actual use, it blew up in their faces.

Lots of great comments.
Finally somebody points out the responsibility that these highly esteemed (i.e. expensive in American) schools for thugs bear. Of course universities pride themselves on their Nobel laureates but someone should put a web site up listing all their crooks and fools that have ruined this country.

The goverment is not perfect and we know that corporations aren’t either. But I see no reason to trust the people behind Enron, AIG, Merryl Lynch, Chase, and all the rest more or even the same as the government.

And please, let’s be realistic. Conservative / WASP / Catholic / Torahnic / what-have-you principles matter very little when it comes to the bottom line. There is no god but Money in America so let’s not pretend that maintaining these irresponsible Republicans and their neo-con handlers in power is somehow financially better for this country.

The “greatest generation” defeated the enemy abroad but succored the enemy, The Federal Gov’t, at home.
I don’t see what is so great about that.

There are things we can do. We can publicly tell our elected officials they are nekkid.

The next time your Congressmen/Senators announce a public appearance, show up and, politely, ask them to explain what the Ninth and Tenth Amendments are and how their voting record can be reconciled with that rule of law.

Do not expect Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan to do the work we can do our own selves.

Do not expect the corrupt Academy to teach rightly about The Constitution.

Through our questions, we can educate others who show up at those forums. And, of course, the opportunity to embarrass these ignorant arrogant bastards is an opportunity not to be missed.

There is a a wealth of political knowledge in here. And where there is knowledge, there is opportunity. But, it must be capitalised on.

Don’t let the nekkid political class continue publicly living their lies unchallenged.

Oh, and don’t expect Buchanan to EVER ask a Congressman or Senator such questions on TV.

Liberty would prove to be to costly - such questions would cost him his job; and he knows it.

I am not Spartacus,

The Constitution is a dead document. Press it a little, and politicians will learn some nice sounding reply. Press it a lot, and they’ll just up and adopt a new Constitution.

If there’s a reason for conservative failure in America, it’s that conservatives are so bent on restoring the Constitution rather than presenting arguments for why policies that favor real Americans ought to be adopted.

The whole reason conservatives favor the Constitution is it favors their ethnic interests…

I’m glad to see Buchanan is holding strong against trade. Free trade (both Ron Paul style and NAFTA style) is one of the most globalist, anti-American policies.

Restoring trade protections and bringing business back to America is the first step in winning America back for Americans. Once business is tied to America’s fate, then it becomes more open to opposing mass immigration, even if such drives up wages.

M. Nucci said “Whenever I put money into a loser I just ended up losing money.  I didn’t get to go to the government and ask for my money back.”

I imagine if a number was published, a whole lot of folks would be ringing up for their “private bailout”

We have finally giving up any pretense of being any thing other than the type of government we supposedly fought 50 years of both cold and hot wars against.

JVC

The whole reason conservatives favor the Constitution is it favors their ethnic interests…

How so?…

With a slight detour where Pat pretends to like Sarah Palin, a neocon by any name, he hit it right on the nail with this article. What other nation can survive when it produces nothing, and imports everything, even paper clips. But no, we became an information only nation, and now all of you can eat your Lexus, Toyotas, Hyundais, Nissans and Mercedes Benzes, when you lose your jobs! Am I the only one that still drives an American car?

Is this the end of the dollar as a reserve currency?

Actually, I think the blame rests as much as anywhere with the rise of a national media-dominated culture.  The 1960s generation that refused to grow up, refused to face hard choices, refused to face the hardships of life, was able to live in that adolescent bubble in which “everyone is a poor little victim who needs to be helped” for 40 years because we were wealthy and had sufficient capital reserves to kick the can down the road without being brought up short by the realities of our victimology.

Toss in the effect of feminism--there there, little children, Mommy will fix your little boo-boo.  Daddy was absent--some of them out of irresponsible choice, yes, but others because the rise of feminism pushed them and their fatherly “let the kid learn the hard way and take responsiblity for his actions” role aside.

History will look back on the entire period from the late 1950s until now as the generation that refused to grow up and thus made itself vulnerable to the no-nonsense Power-driven predators who were always lurking in the shadows, waiting to pounce.

My post got away from me without completing the thought: the rise of a (feminized, liberal, Nanny-state oriented) national media enabled the adolescent victimology.  There was a time when people got their news and formed their opnions of national politics and economics and cultural matters as they were filtered through local “media"--churches, small-town cracker-barrel chats, family patriarchs etc.  Growing up by the time you were 15 or 16 was expected, life was tough, cry-babies were not babied.  Local communities took care of their real victims.  The rise of a national media _to the exclusion of local media_ changed that.  Television, national marketing etc. played an important role--people’s tastes, expectations, purchases (including political “purchases") increasingly were shaped by national trends and national “experts” (who predominantly came from the bi-coastal elite, urban centers).

The Constitution is a dead document.

Frank, Breathe life into it by standing-up for it.

As was said by Billy Crystal in Princess Bride(paraphrasing)"It is not completely dead. It is just mostly dead.”

Be the bellows, baby....

We’re a nation that flips burgers, sells bad paper, and sues each other. Now add to that
prints money (without anything backing it), by which I mean not even a viable economy.

Can Ms. Palin sing: “Don’t cry for me Argentina...I mean America, you were supposed to be
a legend, not just print paper and flip the burgers and bomb the children...Who took you
over-?-It wasn’t me, now I have to save you but I can’t...Not even with Alaska Dude who is
my husband...etc. Don’t cry for me Alaska...”

Getting any politician to discuss the 9th and 10th Amendments is a waste of time. Their usual response is: “they’re truisms.” Because that’s how it’s taught in law schools. End of discussion...unless you’re Scalia.

When you repeal the 14th, 16th and 17th Amendments, THEN you’ll be restoring The Constitution.

And getting the public-school-educated citizens to actually discuss such esoterica, forget it. Everybody’s overwhelmed with their own bottom lines and the dog crap on their front lawn.

This was definitely one of PJB’s best but it still amounts to the proverbial finger in the dyke...no pun intended.

If we’re going to make sure McCrackPot goes down in November, we need a slogan that needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated…..

My submission is:

John, John, John McCain,
Mighty big liar with zero shame.

Can you imagine this phrase repeated over and over again, kinda like:

Hey, hey LBJ, how many kids have you killed today!!!

We need to take down the greed, corruption and hypocrisy that is our government today.

Why not give all that money to the home owners?  Are they less worthy of help than fraudulent banks?

Mr Buchanan’s editorial is on the mark. I was reading the replies as I listened to the business news on MSNBC.

The markets in London and Moscow were going up. So, internationally the crisis is subsiding...for now.

However, I don’t think the US economy or the world’s markets are going to stabilize. I can’t imagine anyone abroad wanting to invest in dollars or anything that is traded in dollars.

I am concerned about the effect of Saudi (also other Gulf states) and Chinese governments pressuring the US government for favors in exchange for keeping their money in dollars.  Those S.O.B.s in D.C. might just sell off this country at a moments notice.(I’m already half-convinced that Cheney has a retirement “cottage” in UAE and that Bush will be retiring to Paraguay.)

;o\

The choices for president seem more dismal than they did a couple of weeks ago.

:o(

I also want to add that; if possible, repealing the 17th Amendment would be a step in the right direction.  I don’t see hope for the repeal of the 16th…
Unless election of the Federal Senators is returned to the state legislatures.

I also know that repealing either is slim with a McCain presidency and practically non-existent with an Obama presidency.  Which brings me back to the question...which one is the lesser of two evils.

What we might be seeing--if we are lucky--is the end of financial capitalism, the idea that financiers should hold the balance of power, rather than those who actually make things on the farm, in the mine, and in the factory. What I fear we may be seeing is the beginning of a fascist state, as the powers that be attempt to hold on to power amidst a collapsing country.

What we are seeing is the complete failure of “laissez faire” as as a positive economy theory and
a viable political ideology. The origins of the crisis are the Credit Modernization Act of 1999...in 8 short years the “deregulation” of the financial services industry has resulted in a crisis that threatens to take the US economy and possibly the whole world into a complete breakdown. In 8 years, the entire underpinning of US economy stability has been threatednd and the biggest state bailout has doubled our national debt.

It is not “the politics of prudence” to allow finance capitalism to run “free” to loot the
economic security of the middle class and destroy American economic soverignty.

Ayn Rand---the ideolgy of aethist greed and selfishness---is inccompatible with Russell Kirk--the
ideology of God, Family, Community and Country. In fact, they are as much sworn enemies of American values as Marx and Lenin.

If I recollect correctly Bill Clinton left a more or less functioning economy and a federal budget in surplus to his successor, a graduate of Yale and Harvard Business school. Who was unable to live within his means, as is the case with most Western governments (look at the UK where the socialists have spent, spent, spent through the fat years and are now about to pay the price for their profligacy, and think not of France and Italy) and must face the music. Responsible capitalism is a sound system, capitalism à l’outrance a less good idea. Hubris.

The axis of evil in the U.S. consists of the two predominant political parties and their cheerleaders and collaborators in the major media corporations. As Ron Paul noted in his last press conference, salvation will not be had except through the rise of a third party.  The internet holds out hope that a formidable mass media can be developed outside of the current one.  If that begins to happen, the First Amendment will then come under attack, even more so than it is now.

The trends Mr. Buchanan deplores all started or accelerated during the years the “Greatest Generation” was minding the store. Their successors have followed in their footsteps.

Andrew Sullivan is a total fool. He talks about Adam Smith as a guiding principle for our economy. Excuse me, Adam Smith lived and died before the Industrial Revolution. Smith had no idea about the pernicious affects of corporations with vast economic and political ability to manipulate the “Free Market” as well as control our government. That is the definition of fascism; a government controlled by corporations, no??? Sullivan is a prime example of the stupidity of the American voter. He is a pernicious enabler.

No more private profits and socialized risk. Hang the crooks. And, remember:

John, John, John McCain,
Mighty big liar with zero shame.

McCain is all bluster and no action. He is known by his colleges as a grandstander that does nothing to move American towards a more equitable, fair and sane society. He’s just a “hotdog” that tries to “look and sound good” to the fools that vote while doing the bidding of those that pay for his political campaigns. And Sarah is just a shallow, shrill shill.

“It’s seems generations x, y and z are destined to pay for the sins, greed, folly and narcissism of the preceding three. I wouldn’t want to be an old boomer fuddy-duddy at the mercy of caretakers from generations xyz. After they’re robbed and beaten, they’ll likely be fed to the dogs. Poetic justice?”

Oh, they have no idea what they’re in for. We’ve been raised as little gods. We were weaned on MTV and the instant gratification that comes from the internet.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Of course you can trace the sins of our fathers all the way back to our first parents.  But, we’re getting to the point where most of us will never grow up and are maybe less accountable for our actions. Or, maybe not.

It’s the TECHNICS!

For those who ought to know better (but obviously don’t), the repeal of the 14th Amendment makes us citizens of our various and sovereign states. “But, but...”
indeed.

And, uh, spare us the nonsequiturs and presumptuous juvenile editorializing.

And, in case you haven’t figured it out, laissez-faire never fails. The human beings involved in the transactions have a tendency to spoil what would be an otherwise very efficient system.

Gentlemen,

We are on the precipice.  Babylon is about to collapse, just as Sodom and Gomorrah were punished by the Lord God.  This is an opportunity to re-build civilisation without the utopian errors of the Enlightenment which, expanding quickly and beyond their means with blind faith, are now shown to have no foundation in reality.  It was inevitable that the idealistic and naturalistic errors of arrogant men should be shown to be entirely hollow.

Let us be blessed to be in an advantageous position to pick up the pieces.

Vive Christus Rex !

Once the Congress handed over the issuance of money to zionist bankers (Federal Reserve), we were doomed.  Unbacked, paper money, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov’t. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov’t and drops the title):
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Captianchaos wrote: “If America were still 90% White this would be nothing but a brief storm to ridden out.  The existential threat to America is it’s population of third-world scum…” etc, etc.

I’m assuming you’re not a troll, which might be generous, but…

Buchanan’s article is about the elite who have sold out America and Americans for decades. Of what race is that elite primarily comprised? What race opened the U.S. borders in order to attain cheap labor for corporate America? What race is spearheading the internationalist, Godless-materialist ideology of globalization? Who is trying to turn the entirety of the Americas into an open borders free trade zone? Who is trying to replace the Christian basis of Western civilization with worship of money and markets? And going back much further, who imported black slave labor to the Americas in order to turn a buck?

What races did all those things? Blacks? Asians? Hispanics? No, money-grubbing whites and Jews with no loyalty to anyone or anything beyond themselves, their greed, and their money god.

And yet you see this latest highway robbery of the American taxpayer, engineered by the mostly white and Jewish Washington elite on behalf of the already bulging bank accounts of mostly white and Jewish Wall Street elite, as an opportunity to bash the dark-skinned? How does that make any logical, moral, or philosophical sense?

It’s not about race, it’s about culture. And the only culture that way too many Western whites and Jews respect today is the culture of greed. And I suspect you Godless racialists aren’t much more evolved.

Ben,

The free market creates discipline. When a market becomes increasingly regulated and socialized, the discipline developed during the preceding free market years does not disappear overnight, but rather lingers on for a few decades.

It was this discipline, created during the pre-New-Deal era, that led to America experiencing decent economic growth despite the increasing centralization of the economy since FDR.

That discipline is now largely gone. The large industries, particularly banking, for too long have been under the umberage of government welfare and intervention. They have mastered the art of political lobbying and milking of corporate welfare benefits, and have forgotten the hard rules and good habits that free market enterprises efficient and productive.

What a crock. Unions? They were gutted years ago.

Unions are for the poor. This is socialism for the rich, with some scraps thrown to the poor to buy their votes.

Blacks and Mexicans? When a bank tells people to lie about income and offers no down payment loans its flat out fraud.

Then prosecute them in a court of law. No need for new regulations to impose more bureaucratic red-tape for law-abiding businesses.

Deregulation of the Savings and Loans under Reagan gave us the Keating 5 and $1.2T in bailouts.

And the Community Reinvestment Act and the central bank’s printing press gave us a 60 fold increase in subprime lending:

http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/blog/comments/how-sub-prime-lending-created-the-housing-bubble/

You socialists never learn.

Greenspan and Phil Gramm’s deregulation and Republican policy to ignore Wall Street and their glorification of greed and cut throat capitalism has been a Republican mantra.

The government is bailing out Wall Street with tax payer money because “they are too big to fail”! This is not cut-throat! This is not capitalism!

The seeds of the present disaster were sown by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, thus enabling Wall Street greed to run rampant. The good folk in Washington who voted for this should have known better.

Once upon a time the Democrats were the tax-and-spend party and the Republicans were the fiscally responsible ones.  Then came Bush.  He did not tax and spend.  He spent, let the banks lend to the destitute, started an unnecessary war, and borrowed from China to pay for it all.  Now the bills have arrived.

Our racial enemies say that our people are bland, boring, and non-vibrant.

What filthy, degenerate lies!

Our people are beautiful and the only people capable of creating true beauty.  Are people ARE a work of art.

So, what should we strive for?  A world of concrete, cookie-cutter McMansions, and strip malls?

LOL!

We have it within our power to turn this world into a garden. 

We have it within our power to extirpate the superficiality, degeneracy, and narcissism that plagues our people.

Imagine a world: of beautiful architecture; great art and literature; scientific progress; healthy, morally sound White children; green, spacious city-scapes; pastoral landscapes; and a protected, thriving wilderness.

We strive for nothing less than the absolute salvation our people, both spiritually and physically.

The faileo-cons just don’t get it.

Here is Richard Dawkins on parasites driving their hosts to suicide (try to figure out who is the host and who is the parasite in the context of this discussion - just for fun!):

“The mechanism by which this is achieved is obscure, but there are sufficient isolated reports to certify that the parasite does influence its host, and often suicidally for the host… One of the more dramatic reports describes an infected bee flying over a pool and, when about six feet over it, diving straight into the water. Immediately on impact the gordian worm burst out and swam into the water, the maimed bee being left to die’”

“It’s not about race, it’s about culture.” - Chris Moore

Go to http://www.amren.com and read all of their back issues and see if you don’t change your mind.  Sorry to break this to you, but we are primates with an ancestor in common with Chimps.

Sorry, Captainchaos, but the Hitler shtick just ain’t going to cut it, not in a country that is still (nominally) Christian, and in a Western civilization of the same status. Now that might change if the last vestiges of Christianity are wiped clean by the “elite.”

(Isn’t it ironic that multi-culturalists, money-worshiping elites and Jewish ideologues looking to score big power and big capital by wiping out the Christian basis for Western civilization and replacing it with their own ideology of materialism, globalization and market worship are merely ushering in primitive tribalism and racialism in the Hitlerian vein?)

PS: There is nothing incompatible with Christianity as an ethos and civilizational organizing principle and the reality that we are all evolved from the apes. In fact, to my mind, our animal nature is what makes Christianity crucial. Do we really want to be just a bunch of dialectical materialist apes beating each other to death like the Jewish Bolsheviks and the German Nazis, or for that matter the crips and the bloods? What kind of vision is that? Christianity is the means by which we can transcend our primitive, money-grubbing materialism and our ape-like, kill or be killed primordialism.

Mein Herr Kapitan,

When Der Fuehrer says, “We ist der master race”
We HEIL!(pthbtt) HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer’s face
Not to love Der Fuehrer is a great disgrace
So we HEIL!((pthbtt) HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer’s face
When Herr Gobbels says, “We own der world und space”
We HEIL!(pthbtt) HEIL! Right in Herr Goring’s face
When Herr Goring says they’ll never bomb this place
We HEIL! (pthbtt) HEIL! Right in Herr Goring’s face

Are we not the supermen
Aryan pure supermen
Ja we ist der supermen
Super-duper supermen
Ist this Nutzi land not good?
Would you leave it if you could?
Ja this Nutzi land is good!
Vee would leave it if we could (...)

(In the immortal words of Spike Jones… I think he was thinking of you)

Hmmmm...is Captain Chaos a pseudonym for Alex Linder?  Hello to you, all the way out there in cretin land!

I am not Spartacus,

with all due respect the Constitution allows for a decent system under historical conditions. The conditions of today however are different, and so a return to the Constitution, however impossible, would do little to improve the US today. The Constitution is then but a distraction and a waste of time - useful only if it provides a justification for opposing or supporting a particular reform.

Additionally, only a certain demographic is attached to the Constitution, and as Captain Chaos has so ineptly put it: that demographic is disappearing.

Appealing to the tradition of the Constitution does little if said tradition is not honored by one’s audience. And similarly the traditions and interests of other ethnic groups within America do not coalesce with the Constitution.

It’s a dead document that wouldn’t be worth reviving were such possible, which it isn’t.

Sam Francis wrote:

Paleoconservatives today, who are virtually defined by their adherence to the Old Republic established by the original and real Constitution, therefore need to make a decision. Their appeals to the old Constitution have now become not only politically and juridically irrelevant but have acquired the stale and arid odor of antiquarianism. Their cause is no longer well served by regurgitation of archaic constitutional niceties and invocations to constitutionalist idols. The decision paleoconservatives need to make is whether to abandon all appeals to constitutionalism and make use of alternative modes of argumentation for what those appeals have traditionally tried to defend, or whether, acknowledging the death of the old Constitiution, they should begin working for a new constitutional structure that seeks to replicate as many of the positive attributes of the old Constitution as possible, including its guarantees of federalism and local autonomy. Which ever course they choose will be no less radical and revolutionary than the path that led to the destruction of the old Constitution.

Chris Moore,

I wonder just how far you’d like to transcend… There’s nothing unChristian about tribalism, and you attempt to separate culture from race. You’re simply taking the opposite extreme from Captain Chaos, when the balance is in valuing both culture and race.

One only has to watch people on TV-game shows to see that Americans are addicted to money as the one and all. Even the most depraved behavior is accepted, as long as it is giving people their money fix. The striving for moral and ethical behavior that once determined the status of a person has given way to this addiction. And the drug pushers are the media, the kingpin the Federal Reserve, the banks the corner drug salesmen, and politicians the goon enforcers. America has truly lost its way. And we are wondering why other societies are not so convinced that our way of life is the right one?

I completely agree with CaptainChaos, but I’m afraid he’s wasting his thoughts on a bunch of white weaklings and faileo-cons. The faileo-cons, who somehow think they are above questions of race, simply don’t have a clue.  Western civilisation is a product of white people.  If whites are genocided, say goodbye to your Chesterton books, ISI seminars, National Review mag (oops, that one’s already gone), etc.

Imagine a world: of beautiful architecture; great art and literature; scientific progress; healthy, morally sound White children; green, spacious cityscapes; pastoral landscapes; and a protected, thriving wilderness.

Again, for your reading pleasure, my vision of a restored White world.

What is unchristian about that?

Good to see Pat Buchanan doing some straight thinking again after flirting with the
McCain-Palin ticket. He’s a brilliant writer and failio-con or not, he is needed here.

What makes you faileo-cons think that we would be allowed to seceed peaceably anyways?

For the umpteenth time: the system is not salvagable.

If our race is to have a future on the North American continent the system must be destroyed.

We have been robbed of our birthright.  We can turn the demographic clock back to 1960.  It need involve nothing more than the humane repatriation of non-Whites back to their native lands.

Once hyper-inflation and 25% unemployment hits you faileo-cons will really see how demographics matter.  It ain’t the same White country that made it through the Great Depression.

America has a White population of 55% at best. 

When all the cherubic non-White “economic refugees” show up in your town just ask yourselves what Jesus would do?

It will make Katrina look like a tea party.

We lost manufacturing, and our leaders turned a blind eye to the declining Middle Class.
McCain will continue what Bush did.
We should stay out of Russia.
The greed in this nation is killing us. There used to be a time, when someone who got ahead unethically was looked down on. Now, people admire their wealth.
It truly isn’t about parties anymore, or if people can relate to the candidates. It is about the survival of our nation.

“If our buildings, our highways, our railroads should be wrecked we could rebuild them. If our cities should be destroyed out of the very ruins we could erect newer and greater ones. Even if our armed might should be crushed, we could rear sons who could redeem our power. But if the blood of our White race should become corrupted and mingled with the blood of Africa, then the present greatness of the United States of America would be destroyed and all hope for the future would be gone forever.” – U.S. Senator Theodore G. Bilbo (1947)

CaptainChaos, don’t you get it?  The white weaklings, Respectable Conservatives, and faileo-cons are prevented from dealing with racial reality, by two things: (1) a misinterpretation of Christianity, which somehow leads them to believe that racial realism and Christianity are incompatible.  After all, they like to think, we are all God’s children.  It is immoral to recognise racial (not to mention genetic) diversity.

(2) talking about race makes them feel so...dirty. They would rather hole up in their study, discuss the latest Thomas Fleming Chronicles editorial over tea and scones. For them, race is so...uncivilised.  Only those stupid untutored coloured people AND those raging foaming-at-the-mouth White Nationalists care about race.

Captain Chaos,

Methinks you are casting pearls among swine with the likes of Chris Moore and Young Codger.

As a movie script so aptly put it: “You (they) can’t handle the truth” or in more common parlance “you can lead the horse to water...”

The masses having been fed with nothing but lies for almost 100 years (the 6 million chosen few of WWI, yes, the first one, spring to mind) will require a massive shake-up of biblical proportions to at least raise a doubt that they have been had.

“There are none so shackled as those who erroneously believe to be free”.  Goethe.

In National Socialist Germany there was an unprecedented release of inventiveness and productivity once the undue influences of Jewish interests were severely curtailed.

And after WWII, completely destroyed, Germany became the world’s largest exporting nation.

I have said it before and it bears repeating:  The Jewish influence is a great hindrance on the development of the western world.  Jews as a group are smart in a very limited way in that they know how to exploit the weaknesses of people, and how to turn a buck.

On anything else they are a failure otherwise how to explain that everything they touch eventually turns to s**t, including their “shitty little country” as a French ambassador put it.

Now, PLEASE, someone mention all the Nobel prizes won by Jews…

H.F. Wolff

“CaptainChaos, don’t you get it?” - Art Hakkinen

What is the use of preaching to the converted?  Most of our people are indeed lemmings, soft in body and mind.  But we can’t win without them.  My mission here is to at least expose some of these fence-sitters to White Nationalist ideas.  When the multi-racial chickens really come home to roost at least they will know there is a REAL alternative our there.

Isn’t this “infiltration” a little insulting and thus counterproductive?

Is the purpose to enlighten or to feel good and brag about being banned, etc?

I used to love it when Sid Cundiff was posting here because he’d make everyone who disagreed with him look correct and brilliant.

My concern is that your personality is similar to Mr. Cundiff’s and thus you’re undermining your own side… Not to say I agree with you on everything, but if posters are divided into two groups I’m certainly a racialist.

Zionism and the racialism exhibited by a few on this thread indeed have a lot in common. And Israel’s contemporary existence would be the fate of white racialists if their wishes were somehow granted and they got their white nationalist homeland. Maybe they can save us all the trouble and emigrate to Israel instead.

A significant percentage of whites equate law and order with whiteness, and apparently believe the former only follows from the authority of the latter. This is understandable, given that the Left materialists and the Right materialists, working through the state, have sown chaos and criminality through their atheistic materialist governance instead of properly assimilating third world immigrants and imported slave and low wage labor into the Western ethic.

Vouchers, Christian schools and the subordination of money worship to morality, community and decency, if given a chance, would do a lot to assuage most white peoples’ fears.

But hyper-Capitalism, like Communism, like Zionism, is all about maintaining illegitimate control, and about destruction. And destruction begets destructive responses, just as the German Nazis were merely the mirror image of and reaction to the destructive crimes of the Jewish Bolsheviks. A vicious cycle.

So we’re dealing with several problems here: materialist-ideologues, racialists and atheists. And a percentage of the whites among each of them think they represent the true foundations of Western civilization. But what they don’t understand is that they are merely getting in the way. Western civilization is a manifestation not of racialism, not of materialism, not of atheism or its politically correct twin, secularism, but rather, it is a manifestation of Christianity—as most objective observers will agree.

as most objective observers will agree.

Oh yes. If most agree, then it must be correct.

But hyper-Capitalism, like Communism, like Zionism, is all about maintaining illegitimate control, and about destruction.

Aren’t you rather the one who wishes to destroy nations, ancestral traditions, and communities to bring about a new global order and Tower of Babel?

A significant percentage of whites equate law and order with whiteness, and apparently believe the former only follows from the authority of the latter.

Yet again you attempt to divide this between either race or culture when the truth is that both are important.

I reckon then breeds of dogs don’t truly vary in nature, or is such an argument too materialist and thus off limits? The rejection of materialism does not mean one should put on blinders and refuse to look at the world…

Despite what you might believe, Marx was not the Messiah. This reinvention of the true faith by radical Marxists is surely the greatest threat to the West. What’s needed today is men like Dabney and Thornwell.

Not a new global order, Frank, but an old one. And a very traditional one, as well.

There has never been a raceless, rootless society of which you preach. Men need a place to belong, traditions to guide them, and particular ties.

What you preach is Marx with a church.

“Western civilization is a manifestation not of racialism, not of materialism, not of atheism or its politically correct twin, secularism, but rather, it is a manifestation of Christianity—as most objective observers will agree.” ~ Chris Moore

Western civilisation is a manifestation of white people, to put it crudely.  Without whites, no Western civilisation. Oh, you might have Christianity--but it won’t be the West. I’ve lived in Africa and have observed black Christians (Catholics, to be exact), and I can tell you black Christians are anything BUT Western.  They are African Christians.

Western civlisation = white people.  Why is this so hard for some people to understand, or accept?

I would gladly take life under the ancient Romans or Greeks (the foubders of Western Civilisation), than submit to the falsehoods and corruption, and anti-white hate that passes for “Christianity” today.

It’s time to consider the possibility that Christianity has run its course.  The host (the West) is dying; time to find a new one.

Irregardless of what happens it’s incumbent on all of us to be prepared for the fall and pick up the pieces when it does.

BANA

You guys are unbelievable. On the one hand, you agree we’re all evolved from the apes; but on the other, you preach that there is some kind of firewall between the races that forever divides the supreme “whites” from the others, and prevents the others from ever appreciating, embracing or understanding Western values.

Whether you know it or not, what you guys are preaching is a variation of Judaism and its “choseness” doctrine.

By the way, the English used to consider the Irish as an inferior, non-chosen “race” that could never “get it,” either. So what changed? Why are the English and the Irish now all globbed together under the “white” category? And what, exactly, are you going to do to determine who is “white” and thus admitable to your white nationalist utopia? Genetic blood tests? I doubt many of you yourselves would pass. You’re much too kosher in your outlook. It’s likely to show up in your blood, sooner or later.

Other races may appreciate or accept Western values, but it does not render them Western. Again, Western civilisation is a function of white people. Without whites, you can have no Western civilisation. 

It’s funny to watch self-described “conservatives” discount the centrality of race in this debate.  There’s nothing more conservatve than wanting to CONSERVE your family, or your tribe or race.

There’s no need to talk about a so-called “white nationalist utopia:; I would gladly settle for the United States of America circa 1910, or 1950, or 1964.

Chris Moore,

The Irish IQ is lower than the rest of Britain. This is clear from IQ tests and has never changed in recent times.

The most likely cause of this is brain drain. Whatever the case, the Irish are clearly closely related to the rest of Britain in other regards. IQ isn’t everything.

This claim of Irish inferiority is supposed to be some fun attack Marxists use to divide Europeans, but it’s a mere straw man.

Ideally, all European nations would be preserved… The ideal here isn’t for all to be mixed into a white amalgam with no identity other than being “white”. Such an ideal would be little better than your Babelist world that assumes human nature is no longer fallen, that political order is no longer important, and that men can all now follow the way of the cross. All you’re doing is taking Marx is claiming it’s Christian when in fact it’s anti-Christian…

I certainly don’t believe man evolved from apes…

Well, if you are going to extoll White Western Civilization, credit for it has to go to Spain, France, Germany and Italy, as much if not more so than Britain.  Britain was a very late player to the game, midgets standing on the shoulders of the continental giants.

I agree with Pat Buchanan. Prudence was never a virtue of my generation. The Beatles condescendingly
sang, “Dear Prudence, can you come out and play?” Reality bit some of us hard in the following
decades. But most never learned a thing. The economy, the social fabric, the Constitution—just
playthings. Prosperity, stability, and Mom and Dad to clean up our mess would always be there.

Good article, from a thoughtful thinker. Sadly I see the socialists and marxists currently in Nirvana and will this to further their grip on America and further helping with its decline.

One can regulate all one likes, but the jobs are leaving America, no regulation is ever going to solve this. If banks like Lehmans want to run their company as if the money was produced via perpetual motion, then let them, in a real free economy such business will be quickly purged from the system.

The fact is that the regulators caused this mess to come about by propping up these mega scams, new regulations will not make a difference, other than driving even more jobs away as the socialist cost of business in America makes it too expensive to compete with the worlds best economies.

@ Frank: “The Irish IQ is lower than the rest of Britain.”

What did I say about white nationalism as an Israeli-like recipe for perptual war. They’ve already started in on the Irish.

What did I say about white nationalism as an Israeli-like recipe for perptual war. They’ve already started in on the Irish.

Wha? I love the Irish as my own: I’m a Celt.

I stated a fact: the Irish test lower on IQ tests, and you yet again twist my words.

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white nationalism as an Israeli-like recipe for perptual war

The other part of your anti-Christian Marxist dream is that religion leads to perpetual war and so it must too be wiped out.

The reality is that people fight and that the most of the good in this world comes from religion and nationalism. Regarding nationalism, it’s as C.S. Lewis said: we learn to love strangers by seeing a commonality in them with our loved ones. It is through loving our own that we come to love others.

Take away communities and nations, and you’ve taken away much of the good.

To put this as an analogy: nuking the Earth would end war, but then it also would end humanity… What you are asking is akin to nuking the Earth: a total, radical transformation that would leave man in a state of perpetual barbarism with little to moderate his evil, fallen nature.

“Isn’t this “infiltration” a little insulting and thus counterproductive?

Is the purpose to enlighten or to feel good and brag about being banned, etc?” - Frank

What?  The faileo-cons can’t tolerate dissenting viewpoints?

What have you done to ensure the genetic continuity of your race today Frank?

I, for one, and fed up with all this blarney about the so-called greatest generation. What codswallop. A lot of guys got drafted and shipped off to war. Some were valiant and some were not. Then they came home to raise a generation of spoiled brats while growing the welfare state into far more than even FDR dreamed of. They, not baby boomers, put every American family on the moral heroin-drip of medicare. They siphoned the blood out of the social security program, flawed as it was. They did this because they were too fat, too greedy, too lazy, too spineless to say no, and too avaricious. Today, the survivors are mostly members of AARP busily sucking out of the system more than they put in.

But everyone too old to be a boomer wants to claim that his generation was somehow less self-serving than the majority of them have been.

So, the boomers were even worse. Wait for the next generatio n, which will be even more foul. Enough already.

Captainchaos,

What have you done today to serve your ego at the expense of your race?

Now Frank:  Captainchaos (or is it Alex Linder) is too dumb and lazy to launch a beerhall putsch against his enemies (the entire world, really).  Plus, he would need friends to do this.  Maybe he lives in his mother-in-law’s basement, cranking this out.

@ Frank: “anti-Christian Marxist dream”

I explicitly stated that Christianity is the basis for Western civilization, called for school vouchers to be redeemable at Christian schools, and called for an end to the subordination of Christianity to money worship. That is an anti-Christian Marxist dream?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I interpret your perspective as being that Christianity is a cultural characteristic of white tribalists, and an array of white tribalists who happen to be culturally Christian, not Christianity itself, is the basis of Western civilization. (You wrote: “There’s nothing unChristian about tribalism, and you attempt to separate culture from race.") But the fact of the matter is, Christianity is a product of the Semitic race that was adopted by the white races, which makes it pan-tribalist, which means it does not belong exclusively to the white races, nor apply exclusively to the white races. Indeed, I interpret its main message, delivered to the Jews, as one of post-tribalism, and a call for the end the Jewish tribalist mentality. Apparently you differ, and regard such an interpretation as “Marxist.” But from where I stand, a racial-tribalist interpretation of Christianity is in fact anti-Christian, and amounts to a call for a return to the Jewish tribalist mentality, which would actually result in an erosion of Western civilization the same way Nazism did.

I regard Western civilization as a conjunction of the Greco-Roman tradition with Christianity that, because of Christianity’s post-tribalist outlook, was able to transcend and ultimately “unite” the northern races philosophically and form a team stronger than the sum total of its individual tribes, the same way that the Roman Empire was able to “unite” world tribes under its banner primarily through money and force of arms. Christianity did the same but in a less coercive manner, and has been able to attain a Pax Romana-like outcome in a far more moral way than were the Romans. It did this in the West, and can do this elsewhere, given the time. It will not get the time anytime soon if racialists, tribalists and money-worshippers operating under its banner continue to (deliberately?) discredit/sabotage it and bring it low. In this cause, they may be allied with the Left.

Chris Moore,

Do you oppose large scale miscegenation?

“Captainchaos (or is it Alex Linder) is too dumb and lazy to launch a beerhall putsch against his enemies (the entire world, really).” - Vlad

LOL!

Once you get done babbling about Nazis you are a spent force.

Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and move to intercity Detroit?

BTW, I guess C.S. Lewis must have been a bad Christian.  He was a racially conscious White man.

That goes for Buchanan too.

@Captianchaos: “Do you oppose large scale miscegenation?”

I oppose the open borders engineered mostly by money-worshipping, globalization-advocating whites, and I don’t oppose breeding between Jews and gentiles, or dark-skinned gentiles with light skinned gentiles, although I concede such pairings can be socially difficult to maintain.

Pat - you thought the party’s over - but it’s only just begun for those on Wall Street, as I mentioned and explained on another thread - now they would be squeezing out of the system the remaining juice or dollars before the big demise. I called it the terminal paradox for you and me on main street or the lose-lose situation due to th ensuing and inevitable inflationary spiral – like one of those monster tornadoes coming at us from in the distance, thanks also to global warming.

You see now they want $700 Billion, which you probably wouldn’t yourself have dreamed they’d be asking for when you wrote this piece only a few days ago.  Even Knut Gingrich knows it’s a waste and will create much *bigger problems that will be with us for 20 years.  Ok let’s look at $700 Billion (with a “B"). One Million (with only an “M”) is one thousand men, with One Tousand Dollars each in their brief-case. A Billion (with a “B”) is one thousand men with One Million dollars in *each of their brief-cases.

And so Seven Hundred Billion Dollars ($700,000,000,000.00) is seven hundred thousand (700,000) men (or women) each with a million dollars in their brief case. 10 hurting small American towns of seventy tousand people in each town - ALL could be given One Million Dollars Each. 

It thus means Seven Hundred Thousand (700,000) Americans each could be given 1 Million Dollars.

Or Seventy Thousand (70,000) Americans each could be given 10 Million Dollars each.

Or Seven *thousand (7,000) Americans could be give 100 Million Dollars *each.

Or Seven hundred Ameicans could be given 1 Billion Dollars (billion with a “B”) *each.

Here’s the POINT. 9% of American mortgages are currently in default or about 7 million mortgages.  This bad paper (before anyone knew, it either was or would become ‘bad’), has been packaged into many different financial instruments throughout the system - and so no one knows precisely where these bad loans are i.e. the 7 million bad mortgages now in default.  And this has created gridlock in the system, or a “crisis in confidence,” because no one wants to loan money, due to uncertainty of where this ‘bad paper’ will turn up next. It’s kind of like an Agatha Christie novel. Who will be ‘gone’ next?  (The butler did it?)

That allegedly IS the REASON for the financial meltdown… lack of confidence in all finanacial instruments, since no one knows where the packaged paper buried in many diverse financial instruments all containing some of these 7 million bad mortages will show up NEXT - and take down a security – making it not triple or double or single A rated but suddenly ‘junk’ and so take down an already overly leveraged investment banking house or a bank…due to their own greed and stupidity.

BUT what’s the problem? Now you can take *One hundred thousand dollars of this $700 Billion dollars and give it to *each of the 7 million mortgages in default and then suddenly - ALL of the bad paper no one knows where it is - is good again, is Golden.  And everyone can KNOW that. So - PROBLEM of lack of confidence is SOLVED. Junk ratings go back to A double A triple A instead of being junk.

You CAN do that if you’re talking an unimaginable $700 BILLION – you can input *One Hundred Thousand Dollars into each and every one of the *7 Million mortgages in the U.S. right now that’s in default (do the math) – and you KNOW the problem is solved.  And that you’re not simply BLINDLY giving that ASTRONOMICAL sum to the same small cabal of nitwits whose abject GREED and irresponsibility has gotten into this mess in the first place. And when you know (if they get away with this) in 3 months after the next JERK is elected el’Presidente – Wall Street is going to discover the $700 Billion was NOT enough, and they need another trillion or so. GIVE THE COUNTRY A BREAK.

So my question is - why in effect are we giving approximately $100 Million Dollars *each to approximately *7 thousand people, the same ones who have screwed up and screwed us all *constantly, unremittingly over the years - and NOT even be sure it will solve the problem. When we KNOW with the same amount of money we could simply make whole - all of the currently bad mortgages, keep people in their homes, *REALLY rescue the economy and do it by pumping only $100,000 into each of the 7 million mortgages in default - and KNOW all of the bad paper would now be good?

Why aren’t we helping 7 million families with the $700 Billion Dollars – rather than helping 7 thousand greedy swine on Wall Street with the $700 Billion Dollars? The swine are the ones who tricked the 7 million families with the hidden clauses and complicated fine print… why are we giving the money to the swine, when if we simply make the mortgages in default whole we KNOW we’ve solved the problem?!!?

“...I don’t oppose breeding between Jews and gentiles, or dark-skinned gentiles with light skinned gentiles, although I concede such pairings can be socially difficult to maintain.” - Chris Moore

I guess those who fought for the Confereracy were little better than Nazis then.  They wanted to protect the integrity of our blood.  Damn their black hearts to hell.

“I guess those who fought for the Confereracy were little better than Nazis then.  They wanted to protect the integrity of our blood.”

They did? Then why did they import so many black Africans onto the continent? It’s the same old story: greed trumps all, and will continue to trump all until it is subordinated to the civilizing Christian ethos, at which point race won’t be the issue that it is today because we won’t be pit against one another, and scrapping like dogs over bones.

How does this racialism and religion combo work? I can understand some claiming that Christianity is related to the West (I wouldn’t go so far as saying that Christianity is responsible for the West), but Christianity isn’t exactly the indigenous religion of the Caucasians. And as of late, Caucasians can’t wait to free themselves of Christianity.

Just what is a faileo-con?

Thanks.

Mr. Moore,

Christianity did the same but in a less coercive manner, and has been able to attain a Pax Romana-like outcome in a far more moral way than were the Romans.

This seems like a very American perspective. When asked why Americans like America, they answer: “it’s the greatest. America has the largest economy, the largest military, the most scientific achievements in such and such, etc.”

Americans love America because it is powerful. And their loyalty is like that of McCain’s ideal: to the state. Americans generally have little sense of roots, little sense of community, little sense of attachment.

Now, you seem to believe an ideal is an America without ethnic ties only ties to the church, but I honestly don’t see how such is possible.

But the fact of the matter is, Christianity is a product of the Semitic race that was adopted by the white races, which makes it pan-tribalist, which means it does not belong exclusively to the white races, nor apply exclusively to the white races.

Of course it’s pan-tribalist. But such doesn’t undermine the natural human order. Tribes are meant to spread the word to other tribes, but such isn’t the same as as forming a new political order. Man formed a tribal system, the Jews preserved the faith within an extreme sort of tribal system, and we’ve never been called to end said system.

The Nazis rejected Christianity, but they weren’t the only nationalists of the day. Just the same… Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, etc. rejected Christianity, and their political ideals were very similar to your own, at least so far as mine are similar to Nazis… The truth is lost in oversimplification.

The Confederacy was opposed to race mixing.

Many viewed slavery as a mistake or blacks as natural slaves (something that is without question not unChristian).

I view slavery as a mistake because as Lee said: blacks tend to bring society down where ever they live. And as we saw during the war: slaves can be used against their masters. They then become a political threat. Also of course they can mix with the whites leading to problems of identity, justification, culture, genetics, etc.

To Frank:  General Lee opposed slavery because it had an evil effect on master AND slave.  It was bad for both concerned, ok?  That’s what neo-confederates don’t seem to get.

To captainchaos:  put your money where your mouth is, and move to switzerland.

“To captainchaos:  put your money where your mouth is, and move to switzerland.” - anti-strauss

I’m going to convert to Judaism and move to Israel.

“Also of course they can mix with the whites leading to problems of identity, justification, culture, genetics, etc.” - Frank

Haven’t you heard?  Only Nazis oppose race mixing?

Captainchaos,

Haven’t you heard?  Only Nazis oppose race mixing?

Haha, yes of course.

And only Nazis have ever done anything evil.

What’s amazing is the true materialist magicians are those very opposed to Hitler: Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Marx etc.

Hitler actually had a bit of religiosity and tradition to him, at least relative to these perfect monsters.

And here we have in the form of Mr. Moore a Christian magician!

The only way we may free ourselves from the propaganda of this day is unplugging from this age and plugging back into healthier ages past. And of course our being social beings, we need community to plug in with. Only then can we cleanse ourselves of this corruption.

My apologies for snapping at you earlier.

I’m going to convert to Judaism and move to Israel.

Bah, I don’t think they accept first generation converts. I’m loath to criticise Israel too harshly though, and thus undermine my own ethics.

Mr. Anti-Strauss,

R. E. Lee wrote:

In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former

Jack Rich,

faleo-con is a play on the term paleocon, implying that the paleo movement has been a complete and utter failure and likely that the paleos are utterly unworthy of any study, offering nothing of value.

While few would quibble with the former point, I think many including myself would object to the latter part.

In revolution the good is lost with the bad, and I think a white nationalism as Captainchaos might wish for would lose a great deal of good, essentially having to reinvent the wheel. And of course… his rejection of Christianity is a mistake.

Christianity in this age seems to have been perverted into something that is clearly untrue and against nature. And as such I think men like Captainchaos reject it. That’s not to say I’ve a complete understanding..., but I don’t see Marx in the Bible and past leaders haven’t believed in this globalist nonsense.

So, “Frank” and “Captainchaos”, let me ask you this: who gets to be on the receiving end of the “Final Solution” in places that are pretty evenly split between Blacks and Whites?

If you wish to build a “nation” out of multiracial America, there’s some tough choices with which you are faced.  I’d really like to hear your answers.