@ Mr. Theodoracopulos

“Poor McCain. The voltures of the media went after him when it counted most, just as Wall Street collapsed...”

So true, and so sad. It pains me to see the attack ads.  The Rovibots (in the RNC) who are running his campaitgn don’t know the meaning of the word honor.

The only politics that the Alinskyite Messiah understands are of Chicago machine variety. I’m sure that BHO’s friends at A.C.O.R.N. will rig the elections in many precints.

It does appear that the world will be driving down a rough road for a few years. Hopefully, Taki will continue to bring a smile to our face as we drive along.

G W Bush indeed was a fool with his absurd Iraq adventure, but McCain might well make things ten times worse by attacking Iran or encouraging the Israelis to do so, if he got into the White House.

It surprises me that Taki characterizes so many men as good people with bad ideas. Either he is a poor judge of character or the bar is set way too low. John McCain is not a good man. How many civilian women and children did he bomb? Did he treat his first wife well? He radiates malevolence.

I wonder if Stephen Schwarzman is having to sell off his book collection to acquire some cash.  Oh, yeah, he doesn’t have any books. 

@Taki

What are Schwarzman’s and Kravis’s art collections like?  I imagine they are the types to spend millions on total crap that sensible people would avoid like the plague.  Some of the prices for “art” mentioned in the “Personal Journal” section of the WSJ just shock the conscience.

The problem with Americans is that we all like to imagine ourselves a higher up the social ladder than we really are, and so when John McCain says he will reduce the taxes of the middle class, and then defines the middle class as anyone making over $5 million a year, we all say..."Ah, yes, that’s me and he’s my man.”
When Obama says he will reduce the taxes of the middle class and defines that as anyone making less than $250,000, we say “Oh no, I’m better than that.” Even if we are driving a truck or digging potatoes in Iowa for a living.
Taki is convinced Obama will be a disaster as President. And John McCain, who wishes for Taki an income of $5 million, is a great hero. Come on, Taki, get real. The Republican Party has been hijacked by a bunck of Neo-Communists posing as Neo-Conservatives, and is today far, far to the left of the Democrats. For proof, just look at the economy, as if you need reminding. If you really are a conservative, you would vote for Obama.

“Insurgencies have a tendency to wear out their enemy and eventually prevail.”

History is riddled with such instances.  The Spanish routinely announced the death of the insurgency in Latin America between 1810-1828.  These insurgencies also had a tendancy of vanishing for long periods of time only to reappear and whip the enemy when they are most vulnerable.

I’m hard pressed to think of a more loathsome race traitor than John McCain. 

Obama is a kind of less intelligent, less charismatic, and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, less degenerate Bill Clinton.  What does he want? 

The very same as McCain, the Bushes, the Clintons want: power, and their name in lights.

Being a toady of the global power elite and grinding America to dust is a price they are willing to pay.

Taki, you forgot to mention the Cyprus insurgency against the British.

I think it took about eight years and the British were defeated.

“[Obama] is a good man who will be overwhelmed by race hustlers and special interests…”

I can’t see the goodness in Obama.  No one forced him to listen to the race-hatred of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years.  He imbibed at that poisonous well by choice and then lied baldly that he never knew Wright was like that.

Obama is the ultimate clever politician, saying or not saying whatever it takes to get elected.  Neither the media nor the GOP candidate is willing to call him on it.

I, too, am disappointed that the revered Taki claims to see good in BHO.  (I cannot bring myself to use his name at all) Maybe God is punishing us for our sins with the election this year- it has been a long time in coming.

Neither McCain nor Obama, by any stretch of what could be considered
even remotely decent, is a ‘good man’. Both are frauds, prevaricators, megalomaniac
lifelong sucklers at the public teat. But no matter. The boobs will speak in November
and the collapse of the USA will continue apace regardless.

I don’t have cable but I saw a little of the debate.  McCain is a tired old man who is in over his head and should have realized all those media sleepovers in his bus would end the moment Our First Black/Woman President-elect came along.  He does deserve better, but it’s all by his own hand.

“...John McCain, a good and heroic man who deserves better”

Taki, like a number of the writers at this site, seems to oscillate between excellent and woeful. There is very little that is good or heroic about McCain. Try this article for some interesting insights to his character:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1

Bearded Spock wrote: “John McCain is not a good man. How many civilian women and children did he bomb?”

I realize this site has become a refuge for sanctimonious punks who have very little sense of manliness.  Women and children are generally killed because their defense forces locate their military sites amongst them.  If they cared for the lives of their fellow citizens, their military would have placed them elsewhere.

Spock must still have his sense of sanctimony and superiority.  I sense courage is not considered a virtue by him.  I ask him how many fights he has been in?  I suspect he has whined and groveled.

The French won the “Battle of Algiers”, the surge of their day.  They were quite pleased with themselves, and should have been for it seems to have been an admirably-executed, if necessarily brutal, operation.  But anti-insurgents seem to write their successes in sand, and the tide is seldom far off.

On the other hand, the British have had successes well beyond Malaya.  Ireland, for example, was in occassional revolt for three hundred years (at least) without significantly distrubing the British presence.  True, insurgency played a key role in setting the political environment that caused them to (mostly) leave, but we’d probably take a deal where we get to control Iraq, and in return promise to leave in 300 years.  Even John McCain would go for that, I think.

I think Obama is a decent person in that he doesn’t seem to see enemies everywhere.  I at least give him credit for attending a black nationalist church.  He is at least no race traitor.  I think he is far less likely to shed blood than McCain.  Of course your typical gang banger is also less likely to shed blood than the rabid McCain.

Eddie Gibbons’ heroes are the biggest cowards and looters of them all. When toady John McCain and his neocon advisors stop taking orders from Abe Foxman and his AIPAC subversive leeches and show some independence like Ron Paul andmany other 3rd party candidates have done I will call him courageous. I suspect I know why he chose to stay at the Hanoi Hilton when they offered to let him go, and it had nothing to do with his buddies. A small-brained mediocre silver-spooned officer saw the opportunity for power. And he took it.

@Bob D,

I wonder how legit any offer to release McCain is.  Do we have anything other than his word to corroborate this?  Were the vietnamese releasing prisoners?  I find it likely that some deal was probably proposed by the North Viet Namese and it was rejected beause we would have been giving up too much.  After the war it was considered best by all sides to make a hero out of McCain and circulate the story we hear time and again of him refusing to be released.  The one time that I heard him tell this story he didn’t even sound convinced of it himself.

Bob D wrote:  “Eddie Gibbons’ heroes are the biggest cowards and looters of them all.”

Politically I do not support McCain, but he is not a coward.  The Hanoi Hilton would have broken any man.  My remarks about this site becoming a refuge for tough-talking cowardly libertarian inclined shits stands.

I would love to see some of you in a fight when money could not buy you saftey.

I think that only John McCain knows if he was offered an early release. The fact is, that he did spend quite a bit of time as a POW.
McCain is not my “dream candidate” by any stretch of the imagination.

However, Obama has too many unanswered questions about his background for me to support him as a candidate.  I am especially concerned that the COLB, online at his website, appears to have been smudged (the id#) and doctored. I don’t understand why he didn’t go to the state records department (When he was in Hawaii--a few weeks ago.) and get a new COLB...if indeed the record of his birth is recorded in Hawaii.

Why is the DNC trying to delay discovery and attempting to get the lawsuit (To force him to prove that he was born in Hawaii.) dismissed?

See more information at: http://obamacrimes.com/

Eddie Gibbons:

And next time you take a shit we will all acknowledge you as king of the toilet. And John McCain too. Honestly, My values are such that I don’t see emerging from the Hanoi Hilton unbroken as a proud life’s accomplishment. But then again I cannot think like a warmongering chickenhawk like you are Eddie. I’m sure you admire McCain’s war accomplishments (killing right? and from 60,000 feet? we’re sure at least he did that without breaking) but when I meet my maker I think I would have a hard time passing that off as something positive. 

Emerelda Pearl:

Your weak MSM guided mind can apparently only deal with a choice between picking the winner in an Obama-McCain horserace so I hesitate to confuse you further. But finding fault with Obama does not do credit to McCain.

@ Ryszard Whoever, You wrote, “Calling McCain a traitor is being nice: he is a vile, hideous, sinister piece of subhuman trash that should have perished in the Hanoi Hilton.”

Why?  Give a reason.  Otherwise, go away because you’re an idiot--who detracts from the discussion.

@ Bob D, You wrote, “I’m sure you admire McCain’s war accomplishments (killing right? and from 60,000 feet? we’re sure at least he did that without breaking) but when I meet my maker I think I would have a hard time passing that off as something positive.”

At leasat you gave a reason for your stupidity.  For almost 100 years people have been dropping bombs on one another.  As I recall, Charlie didn’t have any problems with indiscriminate bombing.  America did.

FYI, I am sure that when you meet your maker, he will sling his tail over his shoulder and put you to work shoveling coal.

Who left the door open so the morons could post?

“Spock must still have his sense of sanctimony and superiority.  I sense courage is not considered a virtue by him.  I ask him how many fights he has been in?  I suspect he has whined and groveled.”

I’ve been in far too many fights, Mr. Gibbon.  I was in the navy just like your hero Johnny. I grew out of it. He did not.  Viet Nam was a disaster as is the Iraq war. At least some of us learn from our mistakes.

@ Spock.  Live long and prosper.

But quit posting.  Ok, you served in the Navy and now you’re a pacifist.

Regardless, your insults of McCain are unfounded and unwarranted.

Like him or not, he is a man of Honor

Is it honorable to ditch your wife for a younger, richer woman?

Is it honorable to run for Senator as the heir to Goldwater and then pivot left after winning?

Is it honorable to reverse a long-standing opposition to ethanol subsidies just before the Iowa primaries only to flip back again after the vote?

McCain is a lying, horrible excuse for a human being.

@ TOP,

You continually add nothing to the discussion but sycophantic nonsense, and again I’m being nicer than you deserve.  I will not go away - you are the crypto-Zionist traitor, and the burden of proof is on you to prove that you are loyal to this country.  Of course, given that you support the evil malevolent McCain, we know where you really stand. 

I will not be intimidated by you Israel-first rapture bunnies.  If you want to destroy this country by supporting the vile McCain that is your (albeit stupid) prerogative.  A man of honor, phaugh!  Laughable.  But don’t dare insult true patriots who can tell how rapidly these idiots are running this country into the ground.

Obviously you have trouble with your “dear leader” being exposed for the lying, traitorous fool he is.  It just shows that you lot of Ziocons are running scared.  And when your garbage-dump of an empire collapses, don’t come crying to those who warned you from the start.  We won’t have a place for the likes of you.

And I am not a pacifist, but neither Viet Nam nor Iraq attacked us or were immanent threats. It’s supposed to be the Department of DEFENSE, not the Dept. of preemptive, undeclared wars.

Top,
What’s the matter, sir?  Did you mistake this site for freerepublic.com?  You can find tons of like-minded (to yourself) neo-Jacobins there.  By all means, leave us in peace and join your mindless cultists in worship over there so we can continue our adult discussion here.  You’ve nothing to add here, you juvenile shill, so kindly move along.

@ top,

Yeah.  We knew you were too much of a craven, blustering coward to post again.

@ Spook, and RA (too long to type).

Unfortunately, you trolls are just that.  I bet my eye teeth Spock was “in the rear, with the gear.”

@ RA.  You piddling fool.  All you can do is call your betters names.  How about you pick up a rifle and stand a watch.

Been there.  Done that.

FYI, I don’t measure my bravery, or cowardce, by my ability to post on a web site.  I do that in the trenches.  Try it sometime.

“@ RA.  You piddling fool.  All you can do is call your betters names.  How about you pick up a rifle and stand a watch.

Been there.  Done that.

FYI, I don’t measure my bravery, or cowardce, by my ability to post on a web site.  I do that in the trenches.  Try it sometime.”

Sticks and stones, and all that.  Never mind that you tossed the first one.  But still you’re just bluster, all talk, and the ad hominem attacks keep coming with nothing to back them.  If you’re so darned superior, please move along.

@RA (still too long, with way too many consonants vs. vowels).  You haven’t answered the question.  Why do you feel you can call John McCain names you do?  Cite one thing.  Not your invective.

Otherwise FO and crawl back under your rock

Ahh yess…
Top, our favorite Ann Coulter clone.  Don’t you find it embarrassing that you have to ape that adenoidal strumpet for your talking points?  No, for utter drones I don’t imagine that’s a problem.  At any rate, you lot always end up sounding the same in the end - there is an Orwellian doublethink that unites all of you.  We’ll probably both be banned for this exchange, but I don’t care as long as I expose you for the utter pathetic trash that you are.

Ohh...so now its down to “questions” is it?  I thought it was still about insulting one-upmanship. 

OK, as I said much earlier, McCain is an Israel-first shill.  He desires a disastrous confrontation with Iran notwithstanding the other 2 wars we already have (+proxy wars).  He is a notorious globalist, who advocates for mass immigration followed by amnesty programs.  He wasn’t pro-tax cut until he was (magical!), and I still doubt his veracity on that.  He dislikes the Constitution and will continue Shrub’s record of defacing it.  Etc, etc, etc.

There’s your answer, you rapid stalker.

@ RA, Can’t you answer a question?  McCain was a pilot who did his job in Vietnam.  You call him names.  Why?  If you can’t answer, then you should be quiet.

@ Richard Spencer, Fell free to ban me from this site.  If paleoconservative = racist, Nazi sympathizer, I’m in the wrong place.

I thought the idea was to exchange ideas about the issues of the day.  From a conservative perspective.

Alright, I’m done.  In the post above I answered the question that you didn’t bother to ask until after lobbing many venomous insults.  And still it isn’t good enough for you; you ignore reasoning, as you did from the beginning.  I’m bored.  Good night, sir.

Bob D wrote: “Eddie Gibbons:

And next time you take a shit we will all acknowledge you as king of the toilet. And John McCain too. Honestly, My values are such that I don’t see emerging from the Hanoi Hilton unbroken as a proud life’s accomplishment. But then again I cannot think like a warmongering chickenhawk like you are Eddie. I’m sure you admire McCain’s war accomplishments (killing right? and from 60,000 feet?”

Your ignorance is almost laughable. McCain and all others were broken in the Hanoi Hilton.  I was not a “chickenhawk”.  I went and fought.  I was against the present war in Iraq.  McCain was not at 60,000 feet when he was shot down.

You are a snot-nosed punk who deserves to be slapped.  You lie to justify your cowardly precepts of human behavior.  A civilized society cannot exist with the likes of you.

May I humbly request you, ahem, gentlemen, to tone down to a dull roar the ad hominim attacks.

If this proves impossible perhaps the editor would be so good as to delete all posts guilty of such unseemly infractions.

Name-calling is the final refuge of the out-argued scoundrel.

H.F. Wolff

Herr Wolf,

I apologise for how rude it got, but this forum is NOT freerepublic.com.  If people want to do Neocon sycophancy, they should kindly take it somewhere else.  Notice that when I illustrated facts and reasoning Mr. top shut right up.  I will not have an exchange like that again - it is a waste of time trying to reason with ideologues.

Personally I have no problem with McCain saying that he was in the Hanoi Hilton, etc.  That much is verifiable.  It does not make him a hero or a villain.  He was a soldier following orders when he was shot down.  I do however find it unlikely that the Vietnamese ever would have been inclined to give up their top prize so that part of the story I am skeptical about.  My problems with McCain all stem from his current record.  In addition to all the points mentioned above I am appalled that the man openly shills for foreign governments and willfuly condemns his fellow countrymen to death and dismemberment on foreign soil for conflicts that are bringing financial ruin to America.  By all reasonable standards the man is clearly insane if not openly treasonous.

Ryszard Anderszewski,

Thank you but no apology is necessary.

I know that on occasion I feel like strangling the s**t out of someone just to get their attention, or off their high horse.

Bear in mind, however, that many people read this blog, therefore any discussion here ought to be addressed to those anonymous readers in some measure.

It has been my observation that one influences these anonymous readers much more with simple, dignified, and factual arguments especially in the face of ad hominim attacks.

Having said all that I still find it necessary to bite my tongue hard at times to avoid calling some posters all sorts of names:-)).

H.F. Wolff

Wolff,

Thanks for the comment.  Ultimately, it was ill mannered of me to make such a venomous attack on McCain’s character (much as I dislike him), and the exchange could have been avoided if I had taken a milder tone.  Anyway, we live in stressful times as Taki has written about in this article, and those times can make you lose your temper quicker than you might otherwise.

What’s so short-sighted about all of this globalist/multiculturalist nonsense is that, if we the Euros are eventually outnumbered and then oppressed, this country WILL turn into a third world country.  It is a given.  The free-riders who enjoy a lifestyle at our expense will no longer have the golden goose to provide for them.  The Republicrats who’ve sold us out to this vision cannot see that, though they hold us in contempt, we ultimately make possible their fantasies and visions.  Without us, they’re nowhere, and they’re too damned arrogant to see it.

from top:
Unfortunately, you trolls are just that.  I bet my eye teeth Spock was “in the rear, with the gear.”

I was indeed in the rear, if you mean the aft end of a ballistic missile submarine. I was a machinist’s mate “nuke.”

Real tough guys don’t pick on women, children, third world countries that have not attacked us. If you think all them “hajis” or “gooks” are the same, then you don’t really think at all.

“Any conservatism that refuses to conserve the genetic stock of the people who gave birth the culture/civilization being celebrated, advocated, and discussed is unworth of the name.”

ARE YOU SERIOUS???  There is no freaking genetic contiunuity. The English are Norman/Saxon/briton(celt). The Normans themselves are french/viking mutts, and that’s a good thing. Mutts are smarter and more resistant to diseases.  I’m happy my half-Mexican daughter is more resistant to skin cancer than I am. You are fighting a lost battle, you racist freak.

Bearded Spock,

I’m not sure I buy the scientific argument that you are selling.  If “mutts” are smarter and more resistant to disease, please explain why Brazil is not the utopian paradise that should be the legacy of smarter and more resistant peoples.  How do you explain that it is disease-infested, poor, corrupt and also a very racist society?  No, I don’t think the case for race-mixing is very great after all. 

BTW Yes, Euroids are a mixed bunch anyway, but you must remember that genetics of various NW Euros are much more closely related than to groups from afar, and so the effect of mingling was muted from the beginning.  It is not being a “racist freak” to want to preserve NW Euro genetic interests.

It is not being a “racist freak” to want to preserve NW Euro genetic interests.

Posted by Ryszard Anderszewski

From God’s lips to yours.  Thank you.

It is to do with Love; father to son, man to extended family.

No Jew, EVER, Loved his people, more, than we love our children, our people.

Those who give a damn about morality, about Love, will nuture the optimal conditions for morality born of Love to instantiate.  It is to do with family.

Pollacks have spunk.

Stay strong, for our people, brother.

“Mutts are smarter and more resistant to diseases.” - Bearded Spock

Nothing but pure logic for you then, applied to evolved, ethnically oriented drives?

“The needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many.”

LOL!

Please allow me to “set you straight”.

You are referring to “hybrid vigor” ("Increased vigor or other superior qualities arising from the crossbreeding of genetically different plants or animals. Also called heterosis."); a concept that is dubious at best and pernicious at worst.

Learn and admit your folly:

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/a_new_look_at_inbreeding_outbreeding_as_an_evolutionary_adaptation/

and

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/alon_ziv_on_race_mixing/

“If “mutts” are smarter and more resistant to disease, please explain why Brazil is not the utopian paradise that should be the legacy of smarter and more resistant peoples. “

Because intelligence is not the same as wisdom. Capacity to act intelligently does not mean that the capacity is automatically used. You might as well ask why Iceland just went bankrupt if inbred blond people are so smart.

@ B. Spock,

To an extent you are right, and race isn’t an isolated factor towards the success or failure of States - it is an internal factor, but we also consider other internal factor (ie resources, etc) and external ones as well. 

As for Iceland it adopted a high-finance capital economy, and the global finance system is melting before our eyes.  As for being “inbred” I’ve known Icelanders and they do not display the problems in general that we commonly attach to inbreeding (you’d have to look at statistics to see incidence of hereditary birth defects, to see if your “inbred” claim is on or not). 

But to expand on my point about Brazil, it is a country where, absent a discernible “race,” the problem of race hasn’t gone away.  Now in Brazil there is colorism, and it is a source of major disharmony in the Brazilian culture.  So the social aspect of race has just mutated, not really changed.  And as CptChaos points out, hybrid vigor as science is fairly dubious.

Eddie Gibbon,

I’m not clear on what you are accusing me of lying about. McCain did kill at high altitude,
I don’t think that is in dispute. You might consider me a snot nosed kid (actually I am older than you
as a proud draft dodger of the vietnam war) I stayed in college until I was 26.

Here’s some red meat for you about me. I consider you to be a sucker for fighting in an unjust war
in Iraq - more so than those of my generation. At least they thought they were fighting communism. You were fighting
to bankrupt our country. You and your ilk are looting the country with your ignorant wars
to defend warmongering zionists. Sadly you are meeting with some success. You have the support of our
politicians, does that make you proud? Well your throne is waiting for you second door to the left.

Bob D. wrote: “actually I am older than you as a proud draft dodger of the vietnam war...”

I was not.  I went and fought in Vietnam.  You consider me a sucker for doing so.  I consider you a malevolent coward.  If we ever meet under true identities, we would have something to talk about at the very least.

Your sole aim was to evade danger even if that meant others had to fight in your place.  McCain did bomb from the sky.  His job was to kill our enemy, not to enable a smug cretin feel good.

You should learn to read at your advanced age.  Tonight I will go to my knees asking for a chance to meet you.  You will persist in your internet bravado and sense of moral superiority.

May we meet.

“You consider me a sucker for doing so.” - Eddie Gibbon

Did your fighting in Vietnam further the interests of your race?

“I consider you a malevolent coward.” - Eddie Gibbon

Will you speak out, specifically, explicitly, for the survival of your people?

If not, what does that make you?

Eddie Gibbon,

You show how truely ugly you are in your last blog: A man on his knees practicing religion perverted by hate. And a brainwashed gung-ho pseudopatriot.

But in exposing those ugly feeling of yours, perhaps honestly for the first time, it has allowed me to understand
you better. You start from the premise that LBJ & now W & their ilk were/are sincere, intelligent, selfless,
honest men. Then fighting their wars was the right thing to do. The “you let someone else go in your place” fatuous mentality can even roll out reasonably from there. I was seeing you more as a Cyrano De Bergerac type, who was willing to give his life for a corrupt government because in spite of it, he loved his country too much. And he would do the bidding of that corrupt govenment because they were in power and held his country hostage. Silly me, Cyrano De Bergerac was a fictional character, people don’t really behave that way. For myself I see it more like Niccolo Machiavelli did. He recognized the only way to free oneself of a corrupt set of politicians was to let them fall.

I do feel superior to you, not morally but intellectually. For though I despise your point of view I understand it. You are too army proud to understand mine. The only moral superiority here is that though I despise your point of view I do not despise you.

Bob D.

The crudest of subtleties escape you.  If you have not figure it out, I will be more explicit.  How a man conducts himself when his nation is at war reveals much of his character and values.  Obviously, I do not care for you and consider that more than likely you are a coward.  You should be able to live with that.

You should learn to read.  I did NOT support this moronic war in Iraq.  As for Vietnam, George Ball, the most honest of Kennedy’s advisors, admitted it was JFK and his coterie that took the US into Vietnam.  Raymond Aron, French conservative philosopher and historian, dated the decline of the US from the day Nixon left office.  The Northeastern establishment succeeded in blaming Nixon for the war they started in Vietnam. 
You and the libertarian inclined feel money and wealth entitle you to buy yourselves out of danger.  I do not, but consider such behavior as signifying a descent into third world status.

Please continue making asinine statements that you feel affirm your superior status.  I will content myself writing for the intelligent.

Spock said ....

“It surprises me that Taki characterizes so many men as good people with bad ideas. “

I expressed this same confusion/surprise vis-a-vis Pat Buchanan’s seeming support for McCain and Palin.

Upon reflection, i realized it is to be expected.  Both Bucahanan and Taki have and continue to benefit from the status quo. Both are establishment types who see their continued fortunes dependent upon maintenance of the two party duopoly.

To expect either of them to actually speak truth to power would be to expect them to give up their substantial privileges.

The reason that leadership gets corrupted is the fact that comprises of wishee-washee non straight shooter types of people.

Eddie Gibbon,

“The crudest of subtleties escape you.  If you have not figure it out, I will be more explicit.  How a man conducts himself when his nation is at war reveals much of his character and values…

You should learn to read.  I did NOT support this moronic war in Iraq.”

You claim to be against the Iraq war but do nothing but defend the warmonger and speak glowingly in general terms about the courage of all individual warmakers. You are surprised that you are misunderstood? That’s too subtle for me as well. I would have thought you thought the supporters of a moronic Iraq war are morons. Like Bob D says, silly me.