Where’s a Super Hero when we need one? 
(hint, hint, - Ron Paul, your phone booth is waiting)

The influence of neocons is harder to get rid of than termites.
Every time their candidate slips in the republican race
they bring a new candidate. First it was McCain, then
they threw their support to Guiliani, now they are
supporting Thompson,

Ah, but to fantasize – because that’s all this exercise is, pure fantasy.  There’s precisely a zero chance of an executive resignation (indeed, not the most partisan Dem has even jokingly suggested it) – and an even smaller chance of exposing the neocon Likudnik agenda.  And, Ron Paul has a much better chance of losing his House seat than he does even staying in the presidential debates, let alone a being nominated for anything by the Republican Party.
Yes, we’re all dreamers.  Right now I would guess that we have our hands full just trying to hold back the tide if the Next War(s), another effort we are almost certainly doomed to lose.  We should open out eyes: the problem is not the Republicans; it’s the ignorant, gullible and brainwashed American public.  We got the government we deserve – now we must suffer.  Have a nice day.

Good post but as Dan Stewart says - it is a pure dream that we are going to recover the Republic so cheaply.
The spectacle is not encouraging.
All republican hopefuls, except Ron Paul, are utter ‘fertilizers’, so devoted to Israel, one would they were running for the presidency of that country.
Ron Paul will be easily marginalized, being anti- practically the whole system which was being built since FDR.
On the Democratic side, apart from Gravel, all belong to the same fertilizer club.
As for Hillary Clinton ,even if Osama Bin Laden was running against her, I couldn’t vote for her.

You can put any name you want upon the beast: republic, democracy, democratic-republic, constitutional republic, land of the free and the brave, its nothing more than a facade.  Behind the scenes we have nothing but despotism and Georgie Porgie and his voice, Cheney-Wieney are only the latest in reflecting this fact, quite well.  And, oohhh (for all those who may be getting off on the next election), in the wings we have that feminist, liberal bitch, Hilary Clitoris, and her “not sure if he is white or black” challenger Barak “Slobama” Obama.  And with the exception of Ron Paul, whom I support for what it is worth, we have the same kind of crap on the Republican side.  I am convinced that Dan Stewart has hit it on the head, although, I disagree with his analysis that it is the fault of the American people.  The American people are naive, spoiled brats, and their political and social superiors made sure they were.  Where do most Americans find themselves every evening: in front of the f.....g TV.  That’s one of the major problems.  Add into this every conceivable convenience: abortion on demand; pornography on demand; divorce on demand; contraception on demand; drugs on demand; entertainment on demand; war on demand; potato chips on demand, a place to defecate without leaving the seat in front of the TV demand, and you have the American situation.  No wonder illegal aliens from Mexico are walking in.  We’re too busy living virtual life.  Sorry Mr. Foy, as much as I support your desires, it ain’t ever goin ta happen!

Patrick Foy replies to Dan Stewart and Jerry Meng…

Of course you are right on a certain level. The chances of Cheney and Bush resigning are nil. I recognize that, and would be flabbergasted if they did resign. After all, the article states that resignation “is the only honest course of action.” Ergo, by definition it will not happen, taking into account the individuals involved.

My endeavor was to point out that a joint resignation of Cheney and Bush should be the logical outcome of the affair based on the fact that (a) their chief clerk lied and obstructed justice on their behalf so as to keep a duplicitous White House policy under wraps, and that (b) Cheney and Bush must surely realize it. They are ultimately responsible.

Libby’s conviction convicts Cheney directly and Bush indirectly of malfeasance--unless we assume that Bush is totally out of the loop. I see no choice for Bush but to pardon Libby. I do not see how Cheney can allow his chief henchman to sit in jail. Libby might talk to prosecutors or, almost as bad, write a tell-almost-all book. Then again, “Scooter” might be a good soldier and sit there in service to a higher cause.

The partisan Democrats have not suggested resignation of Cheney and Bush in the wake of the Libby conviction, because the Democrats have Cheney and Bush right where they want them. Twisting slowly in the wind and a perfect target from here on out. Note that Hillary stays far away from the Libby conviction. It’s a non-subject.

Among other accomplishments, Cheney and Bush have destroyed the Republican Party. The Democrats see a feast ahead. They believe they just have to allow the White House and the befuddled Republicans in Congress to further self-destruct. That is the game plan.

We are getting the government we deserve, all right, but do the “American people” deserve the blame? It could be argued that due to the brainwash and the blackout, the public has been deliberately misinformed for decades, most especially when it comes to foreign policy, and most definitively with respect to the Middle East. Hence, the present train wreck. The situation could be viewed as imposed from the top down.

Patrick
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Patrick,
I guess that’s what I was trying to say.  Besides, Libby is nothing more than that part of the iceberg we see?  There is much more that we do not.  This particular case is merely a neat summation of American political history.

If only the things were so simple that removing Bush and Chaney would solve even a part of the problem.
If one just observes the formidable infrastructure the Neo-Cons (here, I would use a different name, but then I would have to appologize for my anti-Semitism, so I call Spades- Hearts)has built ever since they conquered that mass of ignorants and imbeciles, aka Americans, one is faced with a task which is much more challanging than what George Washington had. (After all, He only had to get rid of the Brits).
Practically all news media are in their hands and what is not, is so intimidated that doesn’t count at all. Practically all publishing houses are under their control. Politically, we are under their thumb and our foreign policy is already indistinguishable from Israel’s. ‘Our’ prospective candidates visit ,as a routine, Israel and pledge proudly their allegiance to that murderous country. As for us, rank and file citizen, we are not even permitted to claim that our NeoCon emperors wear no clothes.
Our society caught cancer under Clinton which has already metastatized.
It’ll take an operation, much more revolutionary than to remove two jerks from the office.

Dear Mr. Foy:

I see and understand your point, and do not disagree. If I got you right, you’re saying that you never really suggested that an executive resignation would actually happen, just that, based on Libby’s conviction alone, in a perfect world it should.  Point taken—and a good point it is.

As for whether the state of the country is the “fault “of the American public, I note your and Mr. Meng position that it’s not, but am not sure I’m ready to concede the point.  I’ve often wondered if the public education system in the U.S. is not the failure it’s made out to be. Maybe its mission is just confused.

Perhaps, instead of having the goal of teaching children reading, writing, math, science and history, the real goal is to churn out mindless, unquestioning, socialists conditioned to believe and do what they’re told and be content in ignorance.  If this were the case, the public education system would be a smashing success and the American public, after decades of this endeavor, would look a lot like…well, like it does now.  And, if such were the case, would it be the fault of the American public, or just that of the mission’s designers and perpetrators?

My guess is that people have a responsibility to look out for themselves, and as such, bear fault for their lot. We agree that we got the government we deserve; for us to deserve it, it must be our fault.

I was recently in Panama City, Panama and upon my return remarked to my father-in-law how big the city was and how many skyscrapers there were (including one 104 stories), to that he explained that the economy of Panama had picked up since the U.S. took out Noriega and the drug trade!  Apparently, this man, who is retired Air Force and a school teacher would by most standards be considered a fairly smart guy, believes this ignorant nonsense.  Is that his fault?

It almost seems like the entire American culture is based on willful ignorance, the Seven Deadly Sins, celebrity worship, victimhood and hypocrisy.  I think the America we paleos know and love is in fact lost forever and only lives now in our memories and some Norman Rockwell paintings.

With due respect to Mr. Foy and Mr. Stewart, I would like to be permitted to make some corrections to my earlier submissions.  First, it was not my intention to absolutely absolve all Americans from their responsibilities, whether they be moral or political.  Each one of us has a duty to God, our Creator; and, this is based on the nature of our upbringing and education.  In other words, the idea of responsibility has been inculcated from an early age in most of us.  There is no doubt, that many children are victims of parental abuse for various reasons.  By that I do not mean physical, I mean a lack of moral duty.  Whether the liberal-progressive element of our society denounces me, it doesn’t matter, because there is no doubt that the moral order of society has been ordained by God and is natural and self-evident.  Nevertheless, those Americans who keep playing the Republica n-Democratic game, and allow such AHs as George Bush, Dick Cheney et al., to continue in power, do harm to the nation in which they were nurtured.  I guess, Mr. Stewart, you might call that a sort of rationalization.  Anyway, I do respect your position.
Mr. Foy, it is possible I may be corrected by your most perceptive observation apropos the hopeful resignation of George Bush and Dick Cheney.  I just perused a report on MSNBC (can they be trusted) on the WEB.  According to its report, “The Senate Judiciary Committee subpoenaed the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney’s office Wednesday (today) for documents relating to President Bush’s controverisal eavesdropping program that operated warrant-free for five years.” As I look on the horizon, I do see your speculation that Georgie and Dickie may have to resign, which does nothing for justice.  Whatever, I submit my apologies to you for insinuating (or was it a bald-faced declaration) that your perceptions were impossible.  However, the enemy is like the mythical Hydra.  We may, as you suggest, cut off the head of one, but another will appear.  Frankly, our hope is not in the political process, unless, Christ be its KING!  My best wishes to you both.

I can’t agree that any of what is done by our politicians is the fault of the American people. We have absolutely no input into the workings of our government.  The electoral process has been such a sham for so long that many of us do not bother to participate.

“If only the things were so simple that removing Bush and Chaney would solve even a part of the problem.
If one just observes the formidable infrastructure the Neo-Cons (here, I would use a different name, but then I would have to appologize for my anti-Semitism, so I call Spades- Hearts)has built ever since they conquered that mass of ignorants and imbeciles, aka Americans, one is faced with a task which is much more challanging than what George Washington had. (After all, He only had to get rid of the Brits).”

We can always get even when serving on a jury!