Is Europe Waking Up?
A demonstration against the “Islamicization of Europe” scheduled to take place in Brussels on September 11, 2007 and put together by the umbrella organization Pax Europa has been prohibited by the socialist mayor Freddy Thielemans. The intended demonstration, which was supposed to march by the headquarters of the European Union, has been declared to be a hostile gesture against the city’s growing Muslim population. It might be noted in passing that the local Islamic population, which features women in burkas and other quaint reminders of who is repopulating the continent, votes heavily for Thielemans. Not insignificantly, he and his Socialist allies in the municipal council have allowed the multicultural left and the Muslims, with the exception of one particularly well-known Turkish terrorist organization that petitioned last year, to demonstrate to their hearts’ content. The scheduled demonstration, which the mayor banned on August 9, had more than 20,000 participants already signed up; and many of them still plan to come, to mock Freddy at a party of their own making on the occasion of his 63rd birthday.
Note that the planned demonstration would by no means be an affair of the Right. The appeals put forth by the various European organizing committees, and I have read with special care the German one issued at Wertheim by concerned citizens on February 6, 2007, emphasize such principles as gender equality, and supposedly universal democratic values. Only passing reference is made in the German document to the “Christian-Jewish humanistic tradition of Europe” and even this is equated with “human rights” and the guarantee of “equality between men and women.” The logo for the German group has an EU flag; and its website shows a young black woman, who presumably is featured there less for her pulchritude than for her non-Teutonic appearance. One is also led to believe by the German critics of Islamicization that a sudden, unexpected problem has interrupted the “peaceful evolution of our society.” The Muslim problem is there because the societies in question had turned against their traditional identities and are now committing demographic suicide. A religion of human rights, which many of the German critics seem to be pushing, is unlikely to reverse the underlying situation of decay, one in which Europeans, and particularly the morbidly anti-nationalist Germans, have run to give up their inherited cultural identity as an insensitive remnant of the past.
Despite the organizers’ failure in some of their statements of principle to address real problems, e.g., the rejection of European national identities and the erosion of bourgeois family consciousness, and despite the continued attempt to build societies on a pseudo-religion of human rights, Pax Europa has targeted genuine objects of concern. Its leaders are protesting the introduction of Islamic Sharia into European civil law codes, the construction of mosques, which tower above other religious buildings in European cities, against the express will of the majority of the residents, and the awarding of special collective rights to Muslims that are not given to Christian churches. Pax Europa has also begun to circulate on its website a demand that the Turks hand back Hagia Sophia, which is no longer a Christian place of worship, to the Orthodox Church. All of these grievances are likely to appeal to the European populist Right, and I know that my Flemish friends, Paul Belien and his charming wife Alexandra Colen, who helps to lead the Vlaams Belang, had been involved in this scheduled demonstration. Despite the demonstration’s not very traditionalist beginnings, the imbroglio with the mayor, Paul tells me, indicates that certain opportunities are presenting themselves.
The organizers of the banned demonstration, if one can judge by their announcements, have spread their nets quite wide: they have seized on the rhetoric of moderate feminists; they cite American neoconservatives about the mounting danger of Islamic anti-Semitism; and they have gone out of their way to bring into their activities such unlikely allies as Hindus, Muslim atheists, and concerned Western secularists. And while the English and Danish activists do allow themselves occasionally to sound patriotic and not merely addicted to human rights language, the Germans are rarely as good.
But none of this may ultimately matter. The anti-Flemish Fleming and Islamophile mayor of Brussels has just walked into a nasty trap; and it is one toward which equally reckless European and American multiculturalists may be pulled. He has gone a tad too far to curry favors with Islamicist and not merely Muslim voters; and he may reap the whirlwind for his stupidity. A tipping point comes when the populace has had enough of government-mandated cultural enrichment; and when it starts to protest. At that point it still harbors the illusion that the current brand of administered democracy is about constitutional freedom. The protestors may still believe even then that their form of control is the best of all regimes. Nonetheless, if the initially polite protestors continue to be held back, the reaction may escalate, and it is then that the Right will step into the picture. By then not all of the carrying-on by the multicultural leftist media here and in Europe will put the genie back into the bottle. As Sophocles put it, “Hubris timoresetai [pride will be avenged].” Or is it cowardly deceit that will be the cause of Thielemans’ undoing?
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“...they have seized on the rhetoric of moderate feminists; they cite American neoconservatives about the mounting danger of Islamic anti-Semitism; and they have gone out of their way to bring into their activities such unlikely allies as Hindus, Muslim atheists, and concerned Western secularists.”
If this is Europe waking up, it should have kept sleeping. I’ll believe that Europe is waking up when Europeans repudiate feminism, neo-conservatism, secularism, and all other modern isms and instead start having more babies, baptize them and educate them as Christians, return to Mass and the sacraments themselves, build new churches which are beautiful, and get busy converting the Moslems in their midst.
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A bunch of atheists turning against Islam seems to me to be no reason to rejoice.
If you asked me to defend Europe as it was in 1899 against an Islamic invasion, I would have done so to the last drop of my blood. As for Europe as it is now - I see no reason. Given a choice, in fact, between Europe being ruled by atheists or by Muslims, I’d prefer Islam for the simple reason that I’d prefer *some* God to *no* God.
“Secularism/modernism/atheism/feminism is better than Islam, and should be encouraged in order to battle it.” is a neocon argument. It’s Giulianiism. If I want that, Dr. Gottfried, I’ll listen to Sean Hannity.
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The fact that one commenter has already implied some similarity between Professor Gottfried’s article and neocon-ism, seems to be yet another demonstration of Professor Gottfried’s often misunderstood subtlety.
Disagree with Prof Gottfried if you will; I often do; but to compare his style and content of argument to those of Sean Hannity is like comparing a purebred Alsatian to a rabid half-Chihuahua sired by a junkyard-dwelling backyard-bred Doberman. Please, can we refrain from erecting an abstract “Neocon
Straw-Man” with which to compare each and every perceived deviation from an equally abstract paleoconservative “ideology” which ought not to exist at all?
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I’m with Kirt, and see a point in Nergol. My own take:
SOME Europeans are not waking up, but instead are fleeing from one nightmare—the Islamic Horde—to another: the extremist nationalism of the national front movements and, to use an imprecise term, “fascism”. The REST of Europeans rightly have repugnance for the latter, and thus may be blinded by that repugnance to the dangers both of Islam and Cultural Marxism. The enemy of my enemy is rarely my friend, and makes a treacherous ally.
Gottfried is correct to observe other elements in his protest march than, to use an even more imprecise if not distorting word, the “right”. If he is belittling these elements, he would be wrong to do so.
The path toward European recovery is NOT general goose-stepping, torchlight parades, loyality oaths, the Badenweiler Marsch, marches on Rome, Futurist painting, “the spirit of the squadristi”, night rallies, street fighting, Blut und Boden, and pogroms. These methods have been tried before, and have—to say the least—a bad track record.
The correct road toward European cultural recovery is threefold:
1. Realize that Islam is the wrath of God upon a decadent civilization. Muslims don’t kill their kids and celebrate sodomy. Stop the decadence, and Islam will have nothing to feed on.
2. Embrace the very Judeo-Christian humanist tradition which Gottfried perhaps thinks little of, and embrace its philosophical accompaniment, the Personalist tradition, a tradition that provides a very fine foundation to human rights, and certainly a better one than Hobbes and Locke. With classic Protestantism dead, Europeans are well advised to embrace the thought of Wojtyła and Ratzinger, and the politics of Christian Democracy: a modern and improved version of Windthorst, Adenauer, De Gasperi, and Schuman. Kirt’s correct: Want to beat another religion? Promote a better one.
3. Relearn how humans have children and raise families.
By the way, have Paul Belien and Alexandria embraced Alain de Benoist and the Nouvelle Droite’s neopaganism, along with Armin Mohler and Julius Evola? Are the mosques of the Muslims and the Celtic Full Moon Rites of the Greens to be replaced with, instead of Kirt’s new churches, temples to Wotan and Freia?
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All the above comments appear to be written by religious maniacs. As an atheist, I find their outpourings equally as repugnant as the Muslim point of view.
I live in a European country where, for good or bad, the law is based on ancient judeo-christian values. The ten commandments, as written in the bible, seem to be a fair and just, acceptable set of social rules. That has been the basis of european law. I do not wish to for those laws to be changed to allow bigamy, child beating, wife beating, censorship, the removal of free will and everything else that comes with the importation of yet another religion, let alone one that is stuck in the dark ages.
Religion and superstition must be removed from the state and the law. We had moved towards that for years. To begin to change those laws, which I am prepared to accept and live by, to accomodate a foreign and barbaric religion, is not my idea of the way forward.
I will protest this in Brussels.
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Paul bemoans that the “Christian-Jewish humanistic tradition of Europe” is only mentioned in passing in the German document against Islamicization. It shows that he has not yet understood, who is waging the real struggle here: A Christian-Jewish tradition is a new term, solely introduced and propagandized by the Jewish part. As a matter of fact, Islam is in its values much closer to Christianity than Judaism.
Underlying the demise of cultural and ethnic identity of the European nations is a constant barrage of predominantly Jewish originated “new values”, which only help to eliminate family values and national cohesiveness, which are the natural defenses of a nation’s identity. This in turn makes it so much easier to control and to direct a nation’s actions against its self-interest.
But this is also making the people of Europe more vulnerable to invasion by other cultures, and with Muslims right next door in the adjoining countries, it is only natural, that these flock into these newly vulnerable countries, which are unable to stop the invasion, because they newer generatios have been trained to be “nice” to outsiders, or be called “anti-semites”, “racists”, and “right-wing extremists”, which is supposed to be bad (without being allowed to ask why).
Only now the “philo-semites” fear that the Muslims might take the spoils of their fight against the Christian values and identities of the nations on the European continent.
From what I see, the Christian European culture has already been destroyed, in Europe and the USA, by drinking from the well of “Judeo-christian” values. I certainly do not see Israelis endorse these values. They are smarter than that.
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One correctin about “Moslems not embracing sodomy”
Unfortunately they do. Or rather they use boys for
sexual relief since the women tend to be locked up.
It is an old Muslim tradition.
But since they keep their women in line they can be
forgiven for it?
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Certain minds can only think in polarities and dichotomies: e.g., left/right, liberal/conservative, Republican/Democrat, Jewish/Christian, “white"people/"black" people, the West/the rest. When they find an enemy, they categorized him in the opposite camp. Thus Cultural Marxists denominate someone who disagrees with them “fascist”. The Browns label their opponents “Communists”. By so doing, such a group of partisans bring discredit upon themselves and make their opponents, often evil, seem to be innocent victims worthy of sympathy. Whether Paul Gottfried in his new book discusses how Robert Welch and his Society made anti-anti-Communism respectable and themselves laughing-stocks I cannot say.
The rest of us know that matters are not only in shades of gray, but also in an entirely different set of colors altogether than just black and white.
To rescript a favorite spiritual writer, I have the honor of being burned at the stake by both the “left” and the “right”. Of the two, I prefer those on the “right”. For they openly admit that they hate me; witness many remarks on these pages. To be so burned by the “left” – especially by those Protestants who are “liberal”, those Catholics who are heterodon/sodomite, and teachers of psychology in Departments of Education – is to endure the fate of being burned at the stake in the name of openness, growing, sensitivity, sharing, tolerance, Maslowian self-actualization, Rogerian Fully Functioning Personhood, self-esteem, affirmation, diversity, community, compassion, and luv.
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T. S. Eliot of 1939 can be restated in a new form. There is not enough positive content in Mr. Exile’s atheist version of Liberalism and Mr. Libori’s defamation of the Jews to stand up to the forces of Islam. If you cannot have the god of the Jews and the Christians (and He is a jealous god) then you must pay your respects to Muhammad and Osama.
And Wotan has even less positive content.
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To Kirt Higdon: You said it perfectly.
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The latest news is that the French birthrate is shooting
up, and so it is in Scandinavian countries.
It seemed that they had to amend things so that women did
not have to pay an economic penalty for having children.
Sometimes if you want something, you have to pay for it.
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Ironically, the only real effort to preserve
a national identity and economic sovereignty is being
played out in Russia under Putin.
Before you go off and blame “Leftists” for the
troubles that afflict Western Europe, you might
address the fact that this sort of nonsense about
“multiculturalism” and a “flat world” is as equally
supported by the multi-national corporations,
Wall Street’s finance capitalism, and the so-called
“free market” advocates that run America’s financial
system.
You can hardly blame the “Left” in the United States
for the kind of nonsense that Bush2 and the CEO classes
he represents have inflicted on the American people
in the issues of “free trade zones”, and unrestrained
immigration.
International Finance Capitalism loves multiculturalism
and “diversity” because it’s good fof their plans for
remaking the entire world into the moral equivalent
of Disneyland: consumerism and secular humanism.
YOu’ve got a bigger problem then the “Left” when you’re
trying to push the nonsense about “Fusionism” between
populist social values of Belief in God, Family, Community
and National Identity, and Wall Street Finance
Capitalism!
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I AM THE ANTI-ISM-IST! (Insert “irony” emoticon here.) My American Nationalist identity is anti-ism-ism, arbitrarily defined by me and whomever I opportunistically perceive as being vulnerable to my populist demagoguery!
Here is my “American(ist)” Anti-ism Manifesto:
Don’t you understand? The Ists of Ism are responsible for all other Isms, and they are all conspiring against you (along with “the Jews” and the British and the ghosts of Churchill and FDR.) Ism IS an Ism, it is the only Ism, and all other Isms are superstructures of that. And they all come from the Jews and England and FDR (all of whom were and are Trotskyiite Bolsheviks, just like their neocon heirs, whom we will designate arbitrarily.)
International Ism-ism, IS! And Senator Robert Taft and Lindbergh and Herbert Hoover tried valiantly to defend America - the ANTI-ISM - from the Ism-ists. Can’t you see? America, AMERICA is the anti-Ism. And who are the defenders of anti-ism-ism? Anyone and everyone who hates the ENEMY isms! THAT is what America represents!
Root out and expose the international conspiracy of Isms, for the sake of “America”, the ANTI-ISM! If you don’t, then you’re, well, a neocon-fellow-traveller.
“America” represents the ANTI-ISM! (Except for anti-Nazism and anti-semitism and anti-nationalism and anti-popululism,
all arbitrarily defined by the Anti-Ism.)
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Hey Joe P. once again you have hit the nail on the head. But you are wrong in one context. You can blame the left at least in the sense that liberal ‘think tanks’ are funded by multi national corporate interests, and for all the reasons that you mentioned. The break down of silly things like loyalty to religion and family must be destroyed to re-make the world into Disneyland. You are exactly right that capitalism loves multi-culturalism. Let’s all sing It’s a Small World After All. The reason you see the Catholic Church attacked so vehemently in the press is because the Church in it’s teachings is opposed to both Communism(subvervience to the state), and to Capitalism(subservience to material wealth). In the church your main loyalties are to God and family, then friends, the poor and somewhere bringing up the rear are the state and material goods.
@Exile, The religion of atheism is the most intolerant fanatical group of nut jobs out there with it’s many doctrines of enforced feminism, mult-culturalism(the belief that modernism is the only valid culture), homosexuality, abortion, etc, Those of us from other religions are mocked as a bunch of superstitious fools because we feel salvation comes after life and not by adhering to the aforementioned in this life.
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Nucci sed: “You are exactly right that capitalism loves multi-culturalism. Let’s all sing It’s a Small World After All.”
Hilarious. Tom Friedman’s “flat world” reduced to the
simple idiocy of a Disneyland ditty. I’ve got to
remember that one.
Nucci sed: “The reason you see the Catholic Church attacked so vehemently in the press is because the Church in it’s teachings is opposed to both Communism(subvervience to the state), and to Capitalism(subservience to material wealth). In the church your main loyalties are to God and family, then friends, the poor and somewhere bringing up the rear are the state and material goods.”
Exactly. I agree completely. The enemy of good order
is unrestrained finance capitalism. Recall Max Weber
analysis of REAL capitalism, it was based on European
CHRISTIAN middle class social values. The sort of
Capitalism” we have now---so-called (but not really)
libertarian “laissez faire capitalism” is travesty and a
lie. The idea that the only value society needs in the
world is self interest and the guiding principle is
profit? As far as I’m concerned, this sort of economic
determinism is the essense of communism, but the idiots
who call themselves “libertarians” are too full of the
“virtue of selfishness” to even realize it.
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I blame theiropen borders immigration policy and massive welfarestate alot more than any of this crusades type rhetoric
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Sadly, what will happen sooner or later is civil war.
Because the politically correct bolschies like
Freddy T. are so deeply entrenched, there is
no way to get rid of them by democratic means.
And when the smoke has settled and the streets
are cleaned of the rubbish, we’ll be in for a spot of
facism a la Franco or Le Pen. Which is sad as well,
but preferable to the antics of a bunch
of bloodthirsty mullahs.
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Mr. Joseph Populist: But what if the choice is between either internationalism in business and trade (and thus the ability to sell to different cultures), or destitution? I written elsewhere about my figurative New Venetian Age. Tibet, Nepal, Japan until 1850, were shut off, and North Korea today.
Mr. Nucci: Odd, I thought the Roman Catholic Church was the most international and multiculture organization of them all, and has become ever more so with The full recognition of the Magisterum with St Leo the Great’s Tome, Papal sovereignty and under the two swords theory of St. Gelasius, Papal independence in Rome under Gregory the Great, the Papal victory in the Investiture Conflict, the defeat of Erastinism, Josephism, of Gallicanism, of the Constitutional Clergy, and the Cisalpinism, the triumph of the Ultramontane persuasion at Vatican I etc.
The Catholic church has never been under the thumb of Emperor or Czar, or split up into autocephalous bishops who end up leading national, and natinalist, churches.
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Nucci said;
“The religion of atheism is the most intolerant fanatical group of nut jobs out there with it’s many doctrines of enforced feminism, mult-culturalism(the belief that modernism is the only valid culture), homosexuality, abortion, etc, Those of us from other religions are mocked as a bunch of superstitious fools because we feel salvation comes after life and not by adhering to the aforementioned in this life.”
Atheism is not a religion. I simply don’t believe in gods. Any of them. Other than that, I’m as normal and reasonably tolerant as you appear not to be.
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Do you suppose those would be pro-European organizations would protest the oppression of Christians by the Muslims in their own backyard? Not a chance.
Over one hundred churches have been burned and thousands of Christians have been forced to flee by the violent Muslim mobs.
Where?
Kosovo-my very Christian Gentlemen.
Not only does Europe do nothing about it, it makes constantly threatening noises towards Serbia to force it to hand over that territory of hers to Muslim Albanians.
Get your act straight, the frontline is not in Brussels.
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sid asked: “Mr. Joseph Populist: But what if the choice is between either internationalism in business and trade (and thus the ability to sell to different cultures), or destitution?”
Well, that’s not the choice that we are facing is it?
Unrestrained “free” trade always leads to chaos, and
as an example we have example the “flat earth” policy
of globalization, which is not enriching the third
world, it’s pushing the third world INTO destitution.
You’are a fool if you believe that old fool Hayek’s
tract that “free trade” makes everyone a winner and ‘
lifts all boats. It’s one of the Number Uno fallacies
of the “Libertarian” non-mind.
Once you understand that “Austrian” or discredited
19th Century “Laissez faire” economics (same thing) is a lot
of horseshit, you might be able to advance to second
grade.
Libertarianism is the mirror image of Marxist_Leninism.
Alan Greenspan and Tom Friedman are as dangerous as
Chavez or Castro.
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exile retorted: “Atheism is not a religion. I simply don’t believe in gods. Any of them. Other than that, I’m as normal and reasonably tolerant as you appear not to be.”
Atheism is a conceit that of people who think they are
too smart to believe in God. As we see with the ACLU,
the real “intolerant” ones are the aethists, who
have declared war on Religion in America the same
way that Lenin and Hitler declared war on religion in
Russia and Germany.
On the other hand, you might argue that “libertarianism”
is a religion of sorts....a cult group. Ayn Rand, for
instance. “Objectivism” is a made-up hodgepodge of
stuff that stupid witch stold from other philosphers.
As such “Objectivism” is as much a “religion” as
scientology.
Marxism has long been recognized as a substitute for
religion, which puts it in the same category as objectivism
or Scientology.
No, “Exile”, you’re neither as smart as you think you
are, and as intolerant as anybody else.
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Lester: “I blame theiropen borders immigration policy and massive welfarestate alot more than any of this crusades type rhetoric”
Open borders immigration policy is really
“libertarianism” in action. “Free trade”.
As for the so-called “welfare state”, what Republicans
laughing call “free trade” in the United States is
actually welfare for the rich.
In the case of unrestrained immigration, it’s not
true that the USA has “freedom” of labor movement. What
we have is actually protected labor markets for highly
educated professionals like Lawyers, Doctors, College “
Professors and so on, and subsidized labor subsitution
for blue collar, low wage workers.
As we’ve already pointed out, there is no such thing
as “free trade”, it’s a utopian fantasy. When someone
talks about “free trade” including free trade in labor,
the reality is that it’s really not free at all, it’s
all about protecting the rich at the expense of the
middle class.
Libertarianism is a fantasy, a dangerous utopianism
of the Right, and the enemy of prosperity and good order.
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“The path toward European recovery is NOT general goose-stepping, torchlight parades, loyality oaths, the Badenweiler Marsch, marches on Rome, Futurist painting, “the spirit of the squadristi”, night rallies, street fighting, Blut und Boden, and pogroms. These methods have been tried before, and have—to say the least—a bad track record.”
Blue Flower—care to name the nationalist parties engaged in these activities? I know of none, so your argument is somewhat silly.
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Herz:
The reference is historical, the events at that time actual, the judgement hardly “silly.” I hope we shall never see these events again.
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@Sid Cundiff,
I never said that the church is not multi-cultural. In addition to the many examples you mentioned the church is also a multi-national, multi-racial church, that said, multi-culturalism as the word is used today is not a teaching of the church. The word as it is used currently refers more to modernism and moral relativism than a true respect and understanding of other cultures. It is in this sense that the church does not reflect multiculturalism. You left out the mixed imagery of the druidic sun symbol with the Gaelic cross used by St. Patrick to convert the Irish.
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europe ought to be glad that the muslims are there to aid them just in the knick of time.
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@Blue Flower:
Oh we’ll see these activities again. But it won’t be white Europeans doing thewe things (see 2005 French riots).
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Someone mentioned higher birthrates in Scandinavia. Maybe they are, but not from Scandinavians. It is the same people who are breeding in Scandinavia as everywhere else, the non-whites.
Although Mr Gottlieb’s article is very optimistic, it is nevertheless completely detached from reality. No demonstrations, declarations, or manifestations will change what is happening. The Europeans are simply comitting a slow harakiri. Biologically, culturally and spiritually.
It is evident from the examples of brown-nosing to political correctness he mentioned. Black chicks on web sites. Yeah, that’s the spirit… not.
It is also pretty evident in the comments here. Sodomy is seriously discussed as a problem. Why not then blow-jobs as well? Or masturbation? Really, come on.
There’s this silly and repeated mentioning of “Judeo-Christian” as supposedly something positive. To begin with, when was it that the “Judeo” amalgamated with the “Christian”? Give us a date, or a year, or a decade?
Secondly, the “Judeo” part has mainly acted as termites act in a wooden house. Like promoting for women to smoke, circumcizing most American boys to no practical purpose, and imposing its view on abortion (it’s the woman’s body and she does what she wants with/to it), which is shared by no other major religion on earth.
We Westerners must accept that our golden age is over. For the Romans the beginning of the end was the battle of Teutoburgenwald, when one of their Germanic generals went back to his own and taught them how to win over the only superpower in Europe and the Mediterranean at the time. The Germanic tribes were hungry and ambitious, the Romans were decadent and tired.
Today the Germanics are the Arabs or muslims, and we are the Romans. Our Teutoburgenwald was the World Trade Center on 9/11. Since then it’s been downhill. Anyone here really, honestly, believing in an American victory in Iraq? I don’t.
Just to end this in a positive way I’ll now discover the real secret to Western survival. Very easy to do, but still doubtful that many enough will do it anyway. Elvis Presley did it, kudos to him.
The secret is to turn off your television set. For ever. If you own a gun, and a yard to speak of, do what Elvis did, kill the damn thing. And never look back again. When you’re done, cancel your subscriptions to all newspapers and magazines and never again buy one single copy of them.
Then get a library card and start reading Adam Smith, Homer, Dostoyevski. Don’t wait for Hollywood to make a movie out of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Open your eyes.
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From my limited experience, the Catholic Church talks a lot about universality of believers and so forth, but I have noticed that even in small towns there will be multiple editions of the Universal Church. One for the Irish ethnics, one for the Slovak ethnics, one for the Polish ethnics, one for the German ethnics and so forth. The hierarchy may well promote universality and even import pagan refugees from the Laotian hills, but those who sit in the pews seem to be more, shall we say, “parochial.”
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I want to second Mr. Libori’s comments: “Underlying the demise of cultural and ethnic identity of the European nations is a constant barrage of predominantly Jewish originated “new values”, which only help to eliminate family values and national cohesiveness, which are the natural defenses of a nation’s identity. This in turn makes it so much easier to control and to direct a nation’s actions against its self-interest.” Excellent lines that encapsulate the whole mess. There is no such thing as “Judeo-” anything. That is half our problem right there. The Ten Commandments are Christian not “judeo-xtian”. “Judeo-xtian” is a heresy.
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WLW,
The Ten Commandments are Christian, huh? My guess is, you’ve never actually read them. They were, of course, given to Moses and the ISRAELITES after their escape from Egypt.
Jesus, when asked, reitereated them more simply: “Love God and love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments, the whole of the law hangs”. Doesn’t that mean Christians really have only two commanments?
The level of antiSemitism and Jew-hatred shown is the above comment is breath-taking.
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Negrol, question :
YOU would defend Europe like in 1899 against Islam to the last drop of your blood ?
Or is it that you would defend it to the last drop of Serbian blood.
Reminder for all of you : Serbian blood was and is what defend your “civilized” Europe.
Not one single drop of your blood.
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Logan;
Who said that 1899 wouldn’t have found me a Serbian? We are speaking of theoreticals, of course.
And for your information, I opposed the horrendous US/NATO bombing of Serbia from the very beginning. “Nobody died when Clinton lied”, say the bumper stickers. Except for the 3000 Serbs who died to keep Monica Lewinsky’s stain off the front pages, say I.
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I just wonder how the Serbs defended Europe from the muslims when they were conquered by the Turks in the battle o Kosovo in the 14th century? Serbia was then under the Turks (muslims) for some five decades.
Also recent Serbian military campaigns haven’t been too reassuring. Serbia lost in Slovenia, Croatia and in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Tiny Montenegro left her, and soon the protectorate of Kosovo will too.
If we’re to depend on the Serbs to protect us against islam, then God help us.
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Rin Tin Tin is being plain silly.
Serbs are trying to defend themselves against Muslims, they are too weak (thanks to Europe) to defend anybody else. The question is, on which side is Christian Europe in this struggle?
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Wow, it seems the Europeans have found a new victim - the jews can rest easy for now, they nutters are going after the muslims.
While I’m against banning any sort of protests (even this one), anyone applauding this type of protest is beyond hope.
If you ask me, the Europeans should bring back the religion that gave them their civilization - paganism.
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So why is it racist and antisemitic to want to have your own country? If Jews would limit their choice of residence to Israel,French Cristians to France, Serb Christians to Serbia, Arab Muslims to Saudi Arabia and Persian Muslims to Iran, wouldn’t this be a good first step in being good neighbours? Isn’t the desire to live among people with similar faith and, language, culture and ethnicity something very natural? Would we not insist that nobody has the right to live in somebody elses home without being invited, and then only as a guest?
If we want to live in peace with people of different cultures, give each of these cultures their home. That is where they are welcome.
Everywhere else they are just guests and subject of being uninvited at any time. And that is not being anti-muslim or anti-semitic. It is plain respect for other cultures.
And if Jews and Muslims expect and enforce it in their countries, shouldn’t the Christian’s be able to do the same? Denying them this right is racist and supremacist.
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Dave, i don’t the cosmopolitan scene i like.
But then i live in NYC.
Anyone seriously concerned that Europe is going to turn Islamic is a fool.
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“Dave, i don’t the cosmopolitan scene i like”
Uh, that was supposed to be “i don’t know, the cosmo...”
etc.
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Hankest:
I do not deny you your right to live in something “cosmopolitan”, where absolute tolerance is supposedly the common denominator and desire of every inhabitant. And, I do like it myself, so I come and visit once in a while. However, from what I see, it is not all tolerance and acceptance of others in NYC. Actually there are quite a few neighbourhoods, where you might get killed if you look and behave different.
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Dave, There aren’t too many of those neigborhoods left, i mean I’ve a skinny, white friend who just moved to the far reaches of Bushwick (granted her boyfriend is black) and i know a couple of asians/whites who live in Bed Stuy. But i suppose that’s due more to gentrification than overall tolerance.
Seriously though, I’m descended from Irish Catholics and Eastern European Jews who came over in the mid to late 19th century. Back then both groups were considered low class, stupid and somewhat sinister people who were going to come to the US and ruin the place for real Americans.
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<<Irish Catholics and Eastern European Jews...were
considered low class, stupid and
somewhat sinister people who were going to come to
the US and ruin the place for real Americans.>>
Looks like they were right.
I say that as a Francophile Scotish-English-German-American Catholic.
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Andrew, ha, yeah, just after i posted that i thought about my family and yeah, those real americans may have had a point.
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Hankest and Andrew:
It just goes to confirm my point. Once the real Americans let the others in, rather than stopping them at the border, they lost their way of life.
Now they live on hand-outs in reservations.
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Herz omits that the events in France 2005 were neither under the sponsorship of the state or of a legal political party. Most of the participants were not over 21 years of age. Bring back into power the same Nationalists who held power in the 20s and 30s, and we will see from them worse than teen riots.
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Blue Flower (Sid):
No they were carried out by racist, bigoted people who hate those unlike themselves. They were young, black, Muslim and they are the future of France. They are actual the actual “browns.”
If whites ever dared to carry out such riots (even in retaliation) they would be stopped by the police and exposed to international condemnation.
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Rintintin is right.
If present thing continue, Europe is pretty much done. And if Europe goes, the US goes with it. We may often rival, but in the end we are one. Let’s face it.
The only thing to do is start reading, breeding and start fighting the ideological wars with Leftist insaniacs and muslim fanatics.
Get hungry again and realize that this civilization is not just worthwile defending and preserving, it is also the best civilization to have ever existed in mankind.
This life may be possible all there is and the faith of our children’s future should not be given to a muslim majority, whose biggest virtues are breeding and praying. Oh...and Jihad.
Enough already.
The West may be in decline, but we are here to stay. I don’t know how, but in the end we will prevail. We always did, we always do, we always will.
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Europe is to blame for its own Islamic troubles. When you occupy parts of North Africa and the Mideast for almost two centuries blowback is inevitable. Just a few weeks ago neocon Sarkozy had the gall to lecture Algeria on the glories of French colonialism. Not a great way to mend fences.
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You guys have got to wake up!!! We in the West are willing subjugating ourselves to Islamic intimidation and rule. I mean we can’t even print cartoons yet they kill non-Muslim and even fellow Muslims in there own countries by the masses. They then come here and cry foul as to how tuff they have it and our laws should be changed, and we should not have protests (when they can), we cannot have speakers at Universities, we cannot publish articles or cartoon, ect. It is madness really!!
Do yourselves a favor and check out the Movie
Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West.
Why the hell this film has not gotten more attention just attest to the fact that the media cowards to Islamic intimidation and bias.
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