It’s very rare to find an essay which combines
political opinion, history, and poetry with
such skill.

Two men from Wonderland came this day,
And shared quite opposite views,
And both were intensely commented upon:
Both right, both wrong, both news.

And we’ve gotten a glimpse of Wonderland,
But who’s Jeckyl, and who’s Hyde?
We’ll cheer on the news we want to hear,
Always blaming the other side.

And I?

I have traveled the other side of the looking-glass,
Down the rabbit’s hole,
Past the March-hare’s madness,
And drank from the Devil’s bowl.

Below the depths of Wonderland,
The lonely darkness calls,
And beckons my soul to dwell therein,
In labyrinthical halls.

I long to return to the darkness,
The Never-Never Land of night;
To leave behind the looking-glass,
Forever banished from its sight.

But the chess game moves ever onward,
And I, a lowly pawn,
Have slain the Black Knight with a double-edged sword,
And condemned myself to the dawn.

You forgot to mention that Robertson is one of the handful of Yale Law graduates who never passed the bar exam.

Also, he’s just a wee bit too excited about the High Holy Days. You can see his obsession with all things Israel at tinyurl.com/2rn2bo

Read National Review on the Roberston-endorsement of Guiliani.

Its HYSTERICAL.

Larry Kudlow says “Guiliani is on fire!”

An Byron York really does his best to make this endorsement seem that its all sewn up for NR’s favorite neo-con.

I never thought I’d see National Review dwindle to lying to me on this level. I’d expect it out of Mother Jones gushing over Hillary or something, but not NR. Byron York is embarrasing.

Excellent essay that, in few words, sums up what is wrong
with so much of established Christianity these days. Pat
Robertson’s Dispensationalism PLUS his political opportunism
sums up our apostate age. When “conservative” Protestants,
infected with the Dispensationalist heresy, go a-whoring
after status and peg America’s “salvation” on the fate
of the secular Zionist state...and Catholics, at least
in practice, embrace the UN Declaration on the Rights of
Man, democratic socialism, and humanitarianism, then its
a good indication why we find ourselves--Western, European
man--in such a predicament.

The Evangelicals and the useful idiots of the Republican Whigs.  The “mainline” “liberal” Social Gospel Protestants, the Catholic “liberals” (and democratic socialists in general) are the useful idiots of Cultural Marxists.  The Catholic “Right” have been since the 20s and 30s the useful idiots of the atheist and neo-pagan Far Right. So also for latter-day Neo-Calvinists.  In every cases the users exploit the fears of the useful idiots ("Bolsheviks!" “Communists!” “Racists!” “Oppressors!” “Islamofascists!"), and once in power,the users sell the idiots down the river.

The situation among Catholics is more intense since they are in the same fold, if they are in unity with Rome and not de facto schismatics.  We can say that Catholic “liberals” have no faith, Catholic “conservatives” have no charity, and the Catholic people have no hope—all three incorrect positions.

Pat Robertson has never been a true friend to Conservatives, Christians, nor the White Race.

I saw we take Zionism to its logical conclusion and deport all these people to Israel.

Robertson has always been a joke politically speaking. He endorsed Dole in ‘96 and supported both Bushes. He was 100 percent behind Harriet Miers and helped sell David Souter to conservatives.  He against the Death penalty and for assassinating Hugo Chavez.

However, that he feels its safe for him to endorse Gulliani indicates the stupid southern vote is leaning to Gulliani. Which is very scary.

It makes perfect sense.  they are both nuts

And a co-worker calls me and the others in the office weraring our Ron Paul buttons crackpots.  What does he have to say now I wonder?

As I posted in response to a similiar column, this action is nothing new for Robertson who pulled the same stund in ‘96 on behalf of Bob Dole. Once he received the nomination, Dole made no bones about throwing the pro-life plank under a truck!

Guess Pat never learns! (nor does his snake-like Svengali, Ralph Reed).

Who are these weirdos that go on about “the White
race”?

Why should I, the descendent of Scottish Catholics,
have an affinity for English socialists?  Or Italian
Freemasons?  Or German atheists?  Or Irish
Protestants? Or any other non-Catholic person of
“the White race”?

So Pat Robertson endorses Giuliani.  Of course he
does.  Why should it be any different?  One
anti-Christian endorsing the other.  What else would
you expect?  Of all of the candidates, Giuliani
is the “strongest”, that is, he is the most likely
to use the violent power of the State to further
the ends of people such as Pat Robertson.  Sure,
Giuliani won’t do anything to stop a single abortion,
but that’s not what’s important.  Abortion is
something that is used to rile people up enough to
take time out of their day to vote, but it’s not an
issue that affects in any way the Pat Robertsons
of the world.

Andrew Capp, we are in total agreement.  NObody is putting a gun to anybody’s head regarding miscegenation.  People are worying about the white race but who should be worried is the black race.  I saw a panel of blacks recently on television discussing some topic or other and what struck me is how light kinned they are The black race in this country is almost unrecognizable to the blacks of a few generations ago.  In another generation it will make almost no sense to even be talking about blacks unless we are referring to someone who is newly immigrated from Africa.

I didn’t read all the poetry. I read four lines
and got bored. I think you have to be pretty well
pleased with yourself to find any enjoyment at all
out of a poem. How can I be pleased with myself if
I’m unemployed?

There is also the fact that america the country
is run by people who think it is a city on a hill,
and therefore better than all other countries.

This unreasonable pride will die with the
generation that benefitted so much from america as
superpower. american nationalism will die with the
baby boomer generation.

Jesus was the prince of peace and here Pat Roertson and the neo-cons are turning him into the King of war. Rev.Hagee,of Tejas, also supports the Orwellian neo-fundamentalist meme of: “We are Gods helpers helping to foment armageddon” As if fomenting the Podhoretz vision of eternal war is gonna win them a ticket to heaven.

Clearly the Christian right needs to realize the middle east conflicts are not about armageddon and they have been hornswaggled into resource wars and colonialization [Spreading Democracy thru war]

Good essay, Mr. Derby. The question always arises when dealing with tele-evangelist or even to some extent outfits like EWTN, “What is the attraction?”
The real absence of God in most spheres of public life and culture is perhaps one. A kind of herd populism is perhaps another. The mistaken notion that emotions can substitute for the real loss of wonder, intelligence and mystery in a culture, is perhaps another. But these fellows, like Pat Robertson and co., should never, and would never, have had an honest following in any culture that was on the rise or thriving. It is only in our decadence that we allow them to speak in this degraded and silly form as “Christian” political spokesmen ---for the “right” or otherwise..

Looks like Andrew Capp is going to become the new neocon Sid-spammer and hijack every thread with some “race isn’t important” tirade.

Robertson is a evil man.  He should permanently banished to Israel with his Zionist overlords.

Hey, I’m not the one that brought up race, it was Mr Fed Up that mentioned it!  I just thought it was a bit weird for him to bring up the topic of race
in this discussion, and was replying to it!

And I never said “race isn’t important”, I say that race isn’t as important as such things as culture/religion/literacy/etc.

On the immigration front, Pat Robertson certainly has been no friend the White Race.

Like Giuliani, Robertson supports the Third World invasion and occupation of the West.

And like Richard John Neuhaus and the other neocons, he thinks “race isn’t important” (CBN, 2006).

It is a shame Sam Francis is gone (the most principled conservative of the last 50 years).  I’m sure he would skewer him.  I was just rereading this: 
http://www.vdare.com/francis/060905_race.htm

Robertson has used his political skills to fool the evangelical masses into following him wherever he goes.  Is there any wonder why the GOP is in such sorry shape?  Supporting the neocon Guliani should leave no doubt in the minds of thinking folks as to where Robertson’s true interests reside.  As for race, it is more important than culture, religion or language:  it is nature’s way of defining us as a people.  Everything else flows from that fact.

Like most whites, I don’t think race is important. The problem is that most blacks, Asians,and Hispanics, seem to think otherwise.

No minority group has been given as much power and wealth as the Jews, yet many of them view public policy based not on “what’s good for the USA?” but “Is this good for the Jews?”

And some point, white Christians, might start doing the same and asking “Is this good for us?” and not is this good for the USA as a whole.

pablo H writes “Like most whites, I don’t think race is important. The problem is that most blacks, Asians,and Hispanics, seem to think otherwise.” That is precisely the problem.  Whites need to start thinking more about their own identity if they expect to survive as a people.  The Founders of the US did not base their assumptions of what constitutes good representative government on the notion that this would be a multi-racial, multicultural society.  The Founders’ plan was predicated on this remaining a white, Western and English-speaking country.  Unfortunately, their blueprint was not followed and now we have the tragedy of the commons.

I don’t consider my “White race” to be “important”.

I consider my Catholicism to be important, and my “White race” to be incidental.

As a matter of fact, I reject this invetion of the Enlightenment you people call “the White race”.

My “race” are the very few of us Catholic Southern Appalachian Mountaineers.  I proudly stand up for my “race” against such people as the Mexican
Protestants, the American Protestants, the European Protestants, etc.

Meanwhile, who do I count in my “race”?  A growing number of Catholics from Mexico, some Catholics of African descent, a few Catholics of Vietanmese
descent, and even fewer Catholics of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and other even more exoctic descent.

I will never, and I repeat: NEVER! stand shoulder-to-shoulder with my “brothers” of “the White race” in order to something such as make the
Sacrifice of the Mass illegal, or illegalize the priesthood, as was done in England.  Why should I turn my back on The Faith in order to have some sort
of “racial solidarity” with a goup of people that despise me for holding The Faith?

To the racists and nationalists that populate these boards: those positions aren’t “conservative”, but the positions of the revolutionary, best exlempified
in the Enlightnment, and fulfilled by the French Revolution.

If you want to be proud of your “race”, take pride in your family, it’s traditions, it’s faith, it’s accomplishments.  If you are embarrassed by it’s
lack of traditions, faith, and accomplishments, don’t try and graft yourself on to something that doesn’t exist, namely “the White race”.

NOTE: The same thing goes for Americans of African descent!  Don’t fall for the claptrap that there’s such a thing as “the Black race” - it was as much an
invention as “the White race”.  You are all individuals, with individual family/tribe histories, and to try and claim the accomplishments of someone
else as your own simply leads down the path of collectivism.

guys, just because we hate the neo cons doesn’t mean we are going to rally around racists.  that would just start the cycle all over again.  Have you ever seen what basketball was like before blacks?  they could have called it “slow ball”.  Do you really prefer the andrews sisters over, say , elvis?  come on.  in england the only edible food is chinese and indian.  the races are carrying each other by and large in this or that area

Andrew,

Richard John Neuhaus wrote something very similar to what you wrote above.

Please spare us your politically correct drivel.

BTW, Andrew & Sid and other left-wingers/neocons, most racialists are not nationalists.  Just look at the most recent polls at racialist websites. 

Most racialists realize that Big Government has been bad for the White Race (look at 1950s integration), which is why most are decentralists and support Ron Paul for president.  Although Paul is not a racialist, his small-government approaches will benefit the White Race.

Furthermore, one does not need to be a racialist to take pride in his people and their accomplishments.  I am not a racialist per se, but like a good paleoconservative, or any REAL conservative, or sane person for that matter, I want to see the survival of my race, the White Race, and am proud of it.

Read this:  http://www.vdare.com/francis/060905_race.htm

I didn’t know it was “politically correct” to despise such people as MARTIN LUTHER King, WEB DuBois, Woodrow Wilson, both of the Roosevelts, Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and so on and so forth…

I want to see the destruction of Protestantism, and I don’t care if those Protestants offended are Black, White, Yellow, Red, or Green.

I am not going to side with the Protestant majority in order to continue to fight a Catholic majority.

That is, I’m not going to side with the Protestants in order
to prevent a Catholic Mexican from coming into the United States of America.  One more Catholic here means one more cog in the wheel of the destruction
of [anti-Christian] Protestant America.

Am I “anti-American”?  Only if you define American as Protestant.  Am I “anti-White”?  Only if you define “White” as Protestant.

I’m Catholic, meaning anti-Protestant. PERIOD.

Maybe if Andrew Capp would stop hijacking this thread, we could get back to the topic at hand:  Pat Robertson

As WCP says, Giuliani and PR are no friends to the white race.  They are both lapdogs for Zionist neocons and support the illegal immigrant invasion of the United States.

I have seen Pat Robertson many times give the old Jesse Jackson “racism is evil” speech, condemning whites, all the while supporting soft ethnic cleansing against whites by backing groups like La Raza.

Blacks think along racial lines (there are over 200,000 black, racial organizations in the U.S.).  Asians think along racial lines.  And Mexicans think along racial lines (La Raza).

What are whites doing? Committing suicide unless they wake up.

“Am I “anti-American”?  Only if you define American as Protestant.  Am I “anti-White”?  Only if you define “White” as Protestant.” - Andrew Crapp

What are you smoking?  I want some.

Andrew, you are not even a real Catholic.  You are a stereotype of someone who has bought into the religion of multiracialism.  Traditional Catholicism in no way says that you have to commit genocide against your own race. 

“That is, I’m not going to side with the Protestants in order 
to prevent a Catholic Mexican from coming into the United States of America.” - Andrew Crapp

Better tell that to all the Catholics over at Chronicles who are against illegal immigration.

I just went to the discussion board of La Raza (the largest Hispanic organization in the U.S.), and I can’t find a darn thing about them wanting to end Protestantism in the U.S.

I did see a lot of gringo bashing.  Stuff like “Whites, Go back to Europe,” and “We’ve got to eliminate the Gringo.”

And here is what the founder of La Raza, Jose Angel Gutierrez, has to say:

http://i13.tinypic.com/42nvamc.jpg

...

I think I speak for most when I say i could give a rat’s ass about the white race or different sects of christianity.

Everybody go to this link and vote for Ron Paul in the straw poll.  He is supposedly trailing in the polls but mopping up in the straw poll.
http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/

Did I claim to support the organization “La Raza”?

NO.

Why build straw men?

I support the Catholic Faith.  PERIOD.

<<You are a stereotype of someone who has bought into the religion of multiracialism.>>

I guess you’re right, since my wife is of Irish and German mix.  She’s not “pure White”.  Where is this Whiteland anyway?  I still haven’t found it on a map…

There was a time the French, Irish, German, Polish, and Italian, and all other Catholics were sometimes opposed to one another on certain issues, and I suppose there is a remnant of that still left within the Church in America.

<<Traditional Catholicism in no way says that you have to commit genocide against your own race.>>

Don’t worry, I have no plans on committing genocide against Scottish Catholics, or even English Catholics.  Supporting Hispanic Catholics is NOT the same thing as forcing my daughters to marry Mestizos - but it is in your obviously perverted minds.  If my daughter falls in love with a handsome young Mestizo Catholic, that’s fine by me.  If she falls in love with a handsome young “White” Protestant, he and his immediate family better be in the process of converting to the One True Faith, otherwise my actions may be ruthless.

Once again, I am “multicultural” if you define it as “Catholic” (which I guess you could!)

Andrew Crapp:

I can produce over 100 pictures of Mexicans holding signs saying things like “Whites, Go back to Europe” or “The White Race is a Disease.”

I have yet to see them holding a sign that says, “Protestants, Go back to Europe” or “Protestantism is a disease.”

La Raza means “race,” and most of their complaints are racial.  And this is not trivial, given that this is the largest mestizo organization in the U.S.

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/maywoodmexicans.jpg

The Founders’ plan was predicated on this remaining a white, Western and English-speaking country.” Cherusci Bigots like this a century ago would have struck “Western”, replaced it with “Anglo-Saxon”, and added “Protestant”.  The Founders of course were in favor of none of these things.  “white” race is a post Darwin 19th Century European invention.  See Washington’s address to the Newport Congregation for what the Founders’ really believed.  We even had an early President whose native language was Dutch.

“Just look at the most recent polls at racialist websites.” White Christian PaleoConservative [sic].  Didn’t I tell y’all that these folk were Stormfronters! 

“Pat Robertson is Scum - Ron Paul 2008"<i> The Brown attempt to infiltrate the Real Conservative (Burke) movement must be failing.  So now they are trying to infiltrate the Paleo-Libertarians.  They’ll have even less luck.  Ron Paul utterly despises racialist nationalism – almost as much as he despises Corporatism, the economic policy of Mussolini. 

But then maybe these Browns are just Neocon <i>agents provocateurs

Lester and Andrew are doing a splendid job.  Andrew might be straying a shade too far to sectarianism, yet not enough yet to bother me.

The Founders’ plan was predicated on this remaining a white, Western and English-speaking country.” Cherusci Bigots like this a century ago would have struck “Western”, replaced it with “Anglo-Saxon”, and added “Protestant”.  The founders of course we in favor of none of these things.  “white” race is a post Darwin 19th Century European invention.  See Washington’s address to the Newport congregation for what the founders’ really believed.  We even had an early President whose native language was Dutch.

“Just look at the most recent polls at racialist websites.” White Christian PaleoConservative [sic].  Didn’t I tell y’all that these folk were Stormfronters! 

“Pat Robertson is Scum - Ron Paul 2008” The Brown attempt to infiltrate the Real Conservative (Burke) movement must be failing.  Now they are trying to infiltrate the Paleo-Libertarians.  They’ll have even less luck.  Ron Paul utterly despises racialist nationalism – almost as much as he despises Corporatism and the economic policy of Mussolini. 

But then maybe these Browns are just Neocon agents provocateurs

Lester and Andrew are doing a splendid job.  Andrew might be straying too far to sectarianism, yet not enough yet to bother me.

Income and Wealth

Per capita income of Hispanics is one half that of non-Hispanic whites, and household net worth is less than one tenth.

Fifty percent of Hispanic households use some form of welfare, the highest rate of any major population group.

Crime

Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.

Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs.

Education

Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.

Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.

From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.

The average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.

Families and Health

At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.

Hispanics are three times more likely than whites not to have medical insurance, and die from AIDS and tuberculosis at three times the white rate.

In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003.

Attitudes

Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves “Americans” first. The rest consider themselves either “Hispanic/Latino” or their former nationality first.

Sid,

As someone else told you, you can stick your head in the sand and say 1,00 times “race doesn’t exist.” It’s very quixotic of you.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world - everyone except whites - organizes along racial lines.

There are over 200,000 black racial organizations in the U.S.  La Raza “the race” is the largest mestizo organization in the U.S.

Sid,

Why do you still cite ignorance?  On a previous thread it was already demonstrated that Burke is no race denier

Where again does Burke say “race doesn’t exist”? (hint: no where)

Where does he differentiate between blacks and whites? (hint: in about 1,000 places).

I’ll quote it:

“As a Real Conservative, I follow Burke too.  But sorry to inform you, Burke did not hold your politically correct views on race.

Although he thought slavery was bad for the British Empire and wanted to end it, BURKE WAS NOT A RACE DENIER.

I challenge you to find in Burke where he says “race doesn’t exist” or any of your other politically correct cliches.

There are hundreds of sentences (like “Be it enacted, that no Black or European Factor or Trader into the interiour country....") where Burke makes distinctions based upon race.

And Burke (like Calhoun, Lincon, and Jefferson Davis) thought that if freed, slaves should return to Africa, the East Indies, or other country of origin.

Burke on Deporting Skilled Negroes from London:  “When his apprenticeship is finished, the Lord Mayor of London is hereby authorized and directed to receive the said Negro from his master, and to transmit him to the island, from which he came in the West Indies, to be there as a free Negro; subject, however, to the direction of the Protector of Negroes, relatively to his behaviour and employment.”

Or what about....

“And be it enacted, that if any free Negro hath been twice convicted for any of the said misdemeanors, and is judged by the said Protector of Negroes, calling to his assistance two justices of the Peace, to be incorrigibly idle, dissolute and vicious, it shall be lawful, by the order of the said Protector and two justices of Peace, to sell the said free Negro into slavery: the purchase-money to be paid to the person so remanded into servitude, or kept in hand by the Protector and Governour for the benefit of his family.” - Edmund Burke, Sketch of a Negro Code, 1780

“ And be it enacted, that no blows or stripes, exceeding thirteen, shall be inflicted for one offence upon any Negro, without the order of one of His Majesty’s Justices of Peace.” - Edmund Burke, Sketch of a Negro Code, 1780

“And be it enacted, that the Minister shall have power to punish any Negro for disorderly conduct during divine Service, by a punishment not exceeding [ten] blows, to be given in one day, and for one offence.” - Edmund Burke, Sketch of a Negro Code, 1780

Sid, if you are a true Burkian, do you favor 13 or 10 blows for disorderly blacks?

It is almost comical how you try to impose your politically correct views on historical figures.”

Bigots like this a century ago would have struck “Western”, replaced it with “Anglo-Saxon”, and added “Protestant”.

We Anglos have a right to exist.  So do the Irish, the French, the Spanish, the Japanese and the Jews. You got a problem with that?

Traditional Catholicism in no way says that you have to commit genocide against your own race.

Even so, Rome is writing the traditionalists out of history. It wants social justice, universal human rights and mass immigration.  Yet it supports ethnic chauvinism for some (Irish, Latinos, etc.) while denying it to others.  Rome is more about politics than religion, as it has been for centuries. Pat Robertson is just using the Catholic playbook.

I’m not going to side with the Protestants in order to prevent a Catholic Mexican from coming into the United States of America.

Bingo!!! I’ve been pointing this out for days now.  Catholics would rather be run by Ted Kennedy than Ron Paul.  They resent the Anglo virtues of civility and self-government and want them overthrown. 

I’m Catholic, meaning anti-Protestant. Period.

Thanks for your honesty.  From my angle, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between you, John Kerry, or Michael Novak.

Better tell that to all the Catholics over at Chronicles who are against illegal immigration.

The anti-immigration stance is a holdover from the old days.  Tom Fleming has been backpedaling ever since he repudiated his Lutheran baptism.  With Sam Francis dead, things are worse.  Chronicles is now just another tiny sect of Latin Mass fetishists. Where’s Christian Kopff when we need him?

Racist vs racialist. I wish I knew the difference.
I guess this is typical for the Paleos to be divided
on a minor matter such as the races. I think it is
a small matter when guaged against the history of
the western/white governments, and the sins going on
now.Is there natural law, and moral relativism existing
side-by-side within the american and european
governments.

European governments are at least trying the
natural law aspect to internationalism. america, on
the other hand, sucks up to the cultural marxists
who have forever managed, along with the help of
the media to abide by a natural law nationally
(nation of laws), but existed in an active, morally
relative manner internationally. Secession is one
cure. Economic depression is the other.

As a white Alabama boy, that shared my childhood years
with “Jim Crow” and my teenage years with LBJ, I have
seen both cultures. And culture is really what everyone
wants to salvage. When the Neocons march their U.N. troops
into your cities and demand marshall law, will you think of Dixie?
Most likely not. But you will attempt to salvage whatever
is left of your culture. “Rascism” and “Anti-semitic” are
nothing but words to force people to abandon any rebelious
attitude that’s holding one back from abandoning their culture.
“Multiculturalism” is designed to drain one of his identity
just as the basic training(Boot camp)is designed to prepare the
mind to think collectively as a fighting force inorder to
accomplish a common goal. Yet, when we remove people from the laboratory
of multiculturalism, and incarserate them, programming
stops, and the human resorts back to his segregated culture.
Blacks with blacks, whites with whites, and hispanics with hispanics.
Why?...................Because your cultural identity is your
essence! Otherwise Jacob only needed one son. Yet each son
had decendants that related to individual clans as well.
White peoples desire for independence and strong dislike
for co-dependence will send us down the same road as the
American Native Indian, as a result of Pandering to the whites
instead of bringing their tribes together as a single
Indian nation. Most of the North and South Generals had fought
side by side in the Mexican/American War......and won! So,
for all of you fine ass educated caucasions still fighting the reformation,
you need to get up to speed because the Mexicans have invaded again!
And if you lose your culture, remember Dixie, and why Vicksburg
Mississippi didn’t celebrate the 4th of July again until
1944.

Larry Kudlow says “Guiliani is on fire!”
Bernard Kerik says. “I put him out!”

Sorry, I just dont get all this concern over skin color. Blindfold humanity and then they would war over straight hair or curly hair or cultural dress, and divide into tribes accordingly. Dull mankinds ability to feel and they would war over who spoke what language, and divide themselves accordingly. Deafen humanity and he would war over the smell of each others sweat or anointing oil and divide himself accordingly.

And the cause of all this? His thoughts, waves of energy coursing about a mass of brain cells, that energy, that thought holding no odor, no color, no race. A-toms which are basically 99.9% empty space.

All that exists is A-toms and empty space; the rest is just opinion -Democritus of Abdera

All the anti-bigots and anti-racists forget one thing.

Racial tolerance is a White, Christian viewpoint. The idea that race doesn’t matter is OK, as long White Christians dominate the USA. But don’t forget, your ability to be “color blind” exists only because other races are minorities.  You’re naive if you think other races, groups,and religions share this tolerance.

Anti-semites in the 1920s refused to give Jews professorships in Literature and History because they were thought incapable of transmitting western culture to the students. Of course, all the “right-thinking” people were in favor of Jewish professors.  Well, 90 years later, look at what’s happened. Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Western culture’s got to go!

Speaking of Mexicans, Jared Taylor just published today a new essay called “Hispanic Consciousness, Pt. I” at:

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/11/hispanic_consci.php

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I’ve been asking for a long time now if there is any financial link between these so-called “Christian” preachers, and the Israeli Lobby. It would be an interesting investigation.

Nobody doubts that the “power” of the Israeli Lobby is the MASSIVE amounts of money they can must into the political system. The Israeli Lobby is pretty sneaky about the money they hand out. From what I can see they don’t actually funnel the money directly from the AIPAC. What they seem to do is organize a network of wealthy individuals who contribute directly to politicians and pro-Israeli advocacy groups.

For instance, there is the case of Haim Saban, a big Hollywood mogul, who contributed $12.4 Million to various Democrat Party candidates in 2002. By comparison, Enron gave only a total of $6 Million to the Republicans--and that was spread over 10 years!

Mother Jones has done some investigation, and it’s really the Democrat Party who is most dependent on big Jewish contributors, not the Republicans.  In some ways , the Democrats are worse then the Republicans when it comes to dependency on pro-Israeli Lobby money.

Interesting link here on this topic:
http://longplayingpals.com/?q=node/7

Andrew Crapp writes -"Meanwhile, who do I count in my “race”?  A growing number of Catholics from Mexico, some Catholics of African descent, a few Catholics of Vietanmese
descent, and even fewer Catholics of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and other even more exoctic descent.” Does this mean you’re a hybrid?  Sid Cuntiff writes “The founders of course we in favor of none of these things.  “white” race is a post Darwin 19th Century European invention”.  The Founders writings say otherwise.  As for race, only an idiot would conclude that it’s 19th century European inventioon.  Why do you think negroes in Africa have an average IQ of 65 versus 100 for white Britains?  I believe in evolution and there’s no way two populations of humans living so far apart from each other over 100,000 years could come out equal in intelligence or in physical build.  So Sid throws around the term bigot because he doesn’t like to hear facts, especially if those facts go against the politically-correct

The “Lobby” understands that there is no reason to “Bribe”
the candidate that is in full agreement with them! Look at the
military industrial complex donations to John Murtha?(OPENSECRETS.ORG)
His rants against the war is a form of extortion in the
tradition of Jessie Jackson. The “Globalist” control the REpublicans,
where the Dems prefer a straight out kickback. From a strategical perspective,
it is intresting how the Jews have even posted on their websites
that reveal cencus information, the focus of high concentration
in States that have a high electoral college number. Makes you
realize why Jewish populations are so low in States like Montana!
Was that by chance?.......I think not.

@ Cherusci, “Why do you think negroes in Africa have an average IQ of 65 versus 100 for white Britains?”

Judging from your appalling spelling and grammar, you seem to be evening the score between the races.

White Protestants are the only ones who can save America from its history of violence and desire to dominate the other…

Opps, my bad.

White Prots were the ones who created an America that is but a hive of blood-thirsty Jacobins.

“Despite the constant ridicule he is exposed to in the media, Robertson remains an influential figure in the corridors of power and will be for sometime to come.”

Anybody who believes that is delusional.  The entire Christian Right has virtually no influence and the history of the Republican party’s relationship with this movement has been one of taking their votes and giving them mainly lip service in return because they, like the rank and file Republican voter, have nowhere else to turn.

@ white race Paleo

It’s hard to convince anyone to change their mind, but my
goodness. white people have all the money, dumbkopf! I’m sure
the decision makers want to help immigrants get a leg up.

Unfortunately, college doesn’t mean an automatic leg up, like
it used to. So, it’s kind of wash now, don’t you think? Tom
Wolfe said college is simply an extension of adolescence.
Enlighten yourself and quit worrying.

Mr. Cathay, I would like to correspond with you. My email is wheelerplatsis(at)hotmail.com. I would appreciate it.

From one of the National Review’s article on Giuliani:

“As a top GOP operative says: “Reagan has provided the stylistic model for Republican leaders ever since he first ran: tough-talking, moral clarity, inspirational rather than tactical [or substantive] in rhetoric, someone who will stand up to dangerous foreign enemies [but won’t stand up to domestic ones]. Bush fits in that model, and so does Rudy. This style and these attributes are as important, if not more important, than particular issue stands to many voters.”

Doesn’t that last sentence just sum up the Republican party of the last few decades.  One of the major “conservative” website owners is all in a blather over the idea that if Giuliani is elected it will destroy conservatism, but really, how is Giuliani different from Bush?  They’re both products of a historical trend - the continuing leftward swing of the entire body politic, including the Republican party and the conservative movement, under the cultural dictatorship of television.  Rudy’s just more of the same as Little George.  The website alluded to has been one of George’s biggest and most mindless cheerleaders, but it is impossible to make conservatives think about long term trends or engage in some sort of sociological examination of society.  They are too full of fear and too culturally powerless.

My bust, Mr. Cathey, sorry about the misspelling.

Tribalism is alive and well and that alone would put the lie to the grand proclamations of the End O History Boys. At some point, we will come to remember that the best qualifier of a people is their literacy when it comes to issues of liberty and self determination in furtherance to peace.
By this measurement, our current munitions mad government would seem to be on par with the most militant of so-called primitive societies. Why we seem to be so intent upon recreating the perverse thinking of the Civil War era remains a mystery to me but rest assured that this too shall end.

The seductions of partisan politics are revealed in the current uses of the terms “radical” and “conservative”. Neither the National Review nor the militant clerics of either Christianity or Islam are truly conservative. Such is the case with the so-called “Cultural Marxism” of the “Liberals”.

The American Revolution and the nation it forged are an intellectual construct.....a celebration of the mind that has no geographic limits nor any racial constraints. To reduce it to such is to rebuke the very foundations of the Republic.

It is high time that we abandon all this nativistic clap-trap for the more rigorous intellectualism of the Founders. Our liberty and the society we have developed to express it is stumbling badly. Our perverse actions feed the nativistic perversions of our opponents and it is to return to the original field of inquiry that we must return our efforts to. American liberty has neither race nor religious creed and when we remember this fact, we will come to demonstrate the essential divinity of the Enlightenment and her sweet fruit, the United States of America. Simply put, we’ve gone a tad wormy and our preoccupations with superstitious cranks like Robertson is compounding the derailment into a greater train wreck.

This descent into nativism of the Ron Paul, Outlaw Christmasand Robertson streams on this web site would seem to indicate that the various resentments behind a Ron Paul candidacy may result in a bigger confusion than we already confront. We are becoming our own enemy ladies and gents and it is well past the time that we remember Diogenes admonition to Dio The Golden-Mouthed that if we do not know ourselves then we do not know man and so are ill-equipped to favor ourselves with God’s benediction.

I enjoy the vigorous debate folks but damned if we are failing to really stay on point here.

Woo Hoo! Sometimes the comments section here is as entertaining as a mud wrestling match between Jerry Springer’s audience and Oprah’s audience members would probably be… y’all are hilarious.

I’m a Christian that wants to thank all denominational organised churchanity team sport fanatic’s for your comments above.

I’m soooo glad I do not belong to the organised church system.

I study scripture and use it to guide my life.

I’m sure some here will say I should be grateful to the catholic church, or Martin Luther, for the bible that I use for help in guidance and understanding of the Lord Jesus Christ.

All I can say is enjoy whatever particular brand of baloney that strikes your fancy.

Who gave me my bible?

God did

Got a problem with that? Take it up with Him.

I belong to His church and no walls of wood or stone of ANY denomination or non-denomination stand between Christ Jesus and those who seek Him.

Many are called to follow the Lord but few are chosen. There’s blessed hope for all who continue thruout life to grow in His way and strive to follow His commandments.

Those few will be found everywhere, regardless of what any team cheerleaders might think.

Peace

@ Mark Roberts

Are you poor? Poor in wealth but rich in spirit? It’s none of
my business, but I assume you are a middle-class jerk with
high-speed internet. Find yourself a community, my man.

Well, by looking at the comments section the conservative movement is really cracked up. There is no consensus on anything. And to see Andrew Capp’s comments--disturbing---on many levels.

Where does loyalty lie?

First, America is a false construct. It is an “Ideological Nation”, the first of its kind but an “ideological nation” is an oxymoron. Not only is the America a psuedo-nation, it also has a psuedo-republic. The FFofA, in their leveller attitudes, never intended to construct a true classical republic and so a psuedo-republic for a psuedo-nation.

That being said, I find Andrew Capp most disturbing in that miscegenation is approved so long as the other is Catholic.  Andrew--you were first born into a Tribe before you were born into Christ’s. Jesus despite his own never betrayed his race. On the other hand, you have betrayed your race.  Loyalty to one’s race comes first. Catholicism is a religion that doesn’t countermand the loyalties to one’s kith and kin. I share your concerns about Protestantism but advocating race-mixing even amongst Catholics is just as bad. Your hatred has caused you to create another evil.

Andrew Capp’s comments do, though, question, what is going on today and the crack up of the Church, loyalty, the Old Order.

White Prots were the ones who created an America that is but a hive of blood-thirsty Jacobins.

If this is a Protestant thing, why does the Catholic population disproportionately favor those blood-thirsty Jacobins?

I belong to His church and no walls of wood or stone of ANY denomination or non-denomination stand between Christ Jesus and those who seek Him.

Is God triune?  Is Mary the Mother of God?  Who shall be baptized?  Are works necessary for salvation?  Is Jesus coming back?  We have denominations to help deal with these issues. 

Nobody wants to stand in your way, but we have competing truth claims that must be addressed. Not everything the Catholics say is wrong.  Our differences are enough to prevent us from coming together as Christians, even though we may work together on common goals such as opposing the managerial state.

If this is a Protestant thing, why does the Catholic population disproportionately favor those blood-thirsty Jacobins?

I was afraid you’d pick-up on that obvious point, Mr Ramus :)

I’d like to be a liberal and fault others, but, the fact is you are right.

Personally, I think the reality so many Catholics succor the establishment is that while they are,nominally, Catholic, most of my brethren are functionally Protestant and ignorant about Catholic Social Doctrine.

Few know the peace of Christ so they are easy plucking for the fear-mongering Neo-Jacobins.

Andrew--you were first born into a Tribe before you were born into Christ’s.

Mr. Wheeler. All who are born are either a son or daughter of God (except the epicene boy bands) who have God as their Father. And Jesus, the God/Man, instituted the New Covenant binding us in one world-wide family.

Family comes first for conservatives, right? So, what’s the problem?

Many Catholics… are functionally Protestant and ignorant about Catholic Social Doctrine.

You have it backwards. I say the liberal protestants are functionally Catholic.  They obsess over offices and liturgies while pushing social justice and universal human rights.  In fact, Catholic Social Doctrine is a friend of the Left.  That’s why Dorothy Day and Oscar Romero are such heroes.  Both Catholic Left and Right call for big managerial states.  Both are poison for America.

Family comes first for conservatives, right?

Some people here believe that clerical celibacy is the preferred state and thus are not conservative.

All who are born… have God as their Father. And Jesus, the God/Man, instituted the New Covenant binding us in one world-wide family.

That’s not Christianity. That’s Universalism!

“Judging from your appalling spelling and grammar, you seem to be evening the score between the races.” (John Ball)

No, actually it’s a combination of this text entry window having a right side margin that goes off the page and my attending Maryland public schools.  The liberal teachers unions here have the Dumbocrats in the legislature and their Dear Lying Leader, Martin PinnochiO’Malley in their back pocket.  They claim to want to help the schools, but like Pat Robertson, their real interest is in accruing more power to themselves.  Example: Baltimore school budgets per pupil exceed just about every other school district in the state, but academically they still suck big time.

Oh bullhirt, sll these racial ideas do, today, is help foment war. War, today, profits the weapon makers. Capitalism has long seen man, yellow,white, brown and black as pawns in the profit game.

That’s not Christianity. That’s Universalism!
Posted by Peter Ramus

According to scripture GOD was not from this universe.

Many are called to follow the Lord but few are chosen.[by a poster]

Thats true, but would you believe me If I should claim to be chosen? Or should you nail me to the cross? I say Peter Ramus is the chosen one, can he satisfy that what mankind expects?

How intresting to watch denominational elitism within the body of Christ
in reference to the issue of race comprehention. Such confusion
existed during the “Mexican/American War” as the St. Patricks
Brigade felt sympathy for their Hyspanic Catholic Brethren.
Logicaly, they were all hanged in the streets of Guadolupe
as traiters of the highest order! Perhaps “LaRaza” remembers them
with affection, but America simply remembers them as dead
traitors.

@ ‘I am not Spartacus’ And Jesus, the God/Man, instituted the New Covenant binding us in one world-wide family.

It says in the book of Revelations that God shall judge the nations. We are judged by our race’s activities.  Christianity does not do away with race/nation/tribe/ethnicity. Does God do away with Gender in Heaven?  NO. So neither does God do away with national identities.  In the Greek Orthodox Church, many saints, in the Church Triumphant, are known by their nationality!!! The Church recognizes their saints in nationality. If these Saints retain their nationality in Heaven----Then NO there is NO universalism, neo-babelism in Heaven. We all remain in our Tribes in Heaven.

And yes, Catholic Social Doctrine and its spawn Liberation theology is all marxist claptrap. Sometimes I consider Catholic Social Doctrine as a puppy of Jewish Tikkun Olam (’fixing the world’). Much of Catholic clergy and laity, in the words of Dr. Cathey, are just a bunch of socialists.

Andrew Capp = Sid Cundiff

There are few in here who evince even a passing familiarity of Catholic Social Doctrine (CSD).

If they had adequate knowledge, they would not post that it was Marxist, or in favor of a managerial state etc etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity

Instead of accusations and false impressions being passed-off as representing CSD, why don’t one of you posters just cite actual Catholic Social Doctrine? It is ALL available online for free.

The fact of the matter is that what some have claimed is CSD is, in actuality, precisely the opposite.

Mr. Wheeler. So, Matthew 25 is Judgment base upon race?

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47025.htm

@I am not Spartacus. War and the death penalty[5] must almost always be opposed, From Wikipedia’s CSD

This is blatant untraditional claptrap ever. The Church has never opposed the death penalty by the state. And the Church has even used the death penalty throughout her history. The Cathars are an example. The presence of the Military Orders are another.

“Racism and other forms of discrimination must then always be opposed.” From Wikipedia’s CSD.  THIS is Political Correctness, i.e. Cultural Marxism that is passed off as Catholic Social Doctrine.

You know ‘I am not Spartacus’, Modern Catholics are only warmed over Marxists! That “other forms of discrimination” is the anti-bigotry campaign of Abe Foxman!  Go fly a kite, ‘I am not Spartacus’.  I also used to participate at the local level at a Catholic Church and they were all socialists! CSD is political correctness hence Marxist!

And when the Syro-Phonecian woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter---JESUS REFUSED!  Said, “It is NOT right to give the food of the children to DOGS”. 

Here Jesus is using a racial epithat! He is using a Semitic slur for a Greek---’dog’.  She then admits, humbles herself, and beats him in a game of wits.  He ONLY heals her because of her saying!

Matthew 25 has nothing to do with Racial cohesion or the Natural Law of racism and volkenhass. Unlike Catholic Bishops that are willingly, knowlingly breaking the Natural Law in their support of a foreign invasion of AmeroIndians and supporting race-mixing and the Marxist plan of cultural transformation!

pat robertsons operation blessing was the only redeeming part of his mission as a christian organization.

he has always paraded the gaggle of jewish american neocons on his program to have them lie to the american citizenry about their israel first fantasies..the israeli dore gold is also paraded through his program to pitch the same line of b.s that is par for the course for that group of opportunist.

pat and hagee both boast of having super secret contacts inside the israeli political and intelligence apparatus...they believe the bullshit that the mossad peddles for truth and i guess it makes them feel that they are in some priviledge position.
the israeli intel ops must have a field day with these two buffoon christians who buy the bullcrap that israel sells them hook line and sinker....

either that or pats a total idiot..he wrote a book once about jewish power so he can not pretend to really buy into all that crap...so my better guess is that they have pictures of him doing something stupid or maybe a financial scandal to keep pat towing the line.
either way pats a sellout, and i will never support anything he does again and have told them so.

Mr. Wheeler. Wikipedia?...not so much

http://www.justpeace.org/docu.htm#The%20Social%20Justice%20Teaching%20&#xE2;&#x80;&#x9C;Canon&#xE2;

Larry Kudlow says “Guiliani is on fire!”

As they used to say in the ‘60s, “Burn, baby, burn.”

With due exceptional deference to my 89-year-old mother, who clearly knows better, I must reaffirm--in re Pat Robertson--the old saw that “There is no fool like an old fool.”