The Ron Paul Revolution
Several years ago I lived in a liberal college town where I was outed, due to a newspaper profile, as a card-carrying Republican.
The article noted that I was a Christian pro-life mom and the daughter of Costa Rican immigrants, believed there was an ongoing culture war, supported limited taxation, and was happily married to a male (the latter being relevant since the town was located in Massachusetts).
In another life, I was Religious Right promo material - en español.
But that was then, and this is now.
These days, according to some loudmouths, I have more in common with the “antiwar moonbats” that hold Sunday peace rallies in my former place of residence than the Republicans that are presently in power.
Truth is, I haven’t joined the NEA, ACLU, Code Pink, or the National Council of La Raza. Unlike Dennis Kucinich, I’ve never seen a UFO. I remain proud that my father served in the U.S. Army, that I have an Old Glory sticker on my small car, and that my home education policy paper was published by the Cato Institute in 1998.
My views, since that above-mentioned newspaper profile ran, haven’t altered, except that I would rather watch Lou Dobbs than listen to Rush Limbaugh.
But here’s the rub: You’ve heard of the baby doctor who has that Revolution and Internet and “We the People” buzz going? The one who happens to be a Republican? Well, I’ve decided that he is ‘da man’ who has the reputation and the voting record to take on The Man. And, I don’t mean Hillary.
I mean the Man who stands for Redistribution of Wealth, the Denial of Civil Liberties, the Military Industrial Complex, the Welfare State, and every other socialist ploy aimed at enlarging the American Empire and Hegemony and decreasing the size of the dollar and the middle class.
In fact, in the last century, right-wing types had a simple way of describing patriotic congressional representatives like Ron Paul, who championed limited federal government, believed in natural rights, respected the oath they swore to uphold, and eschewed Wilsonian-style foreign policy. We used to call them “conservatives.”
Instead, in this race for the White House, there are many surprises. Dr. Ron Paul, the ten-term Texas congressman, gets treated more respectfully by bawdy comedians like Jay Leno and Jon Stewart and independent bloggers like Glenn Greenwald, than RINO’s like Glenn Beck, David Horowitz, and Frank Luntz. Beck and Horowitz had a chummy television exchange in which the former likened Paul’s supporters to “terrorists,” and the latter said that Lewrockwell.com, a fountain of fun information about Paul’s campaign, was “totally in bed with the Islamofascists.” Meanwhile, Pollster Luntz dubbed Paul supporters “crabgrass.”
There’s even a whole passel of Religious Right leadership – from Pat Robertson (Rudy’s the guy) to Bob Jones III (Mitt’s my man) to Sam Brownback (I’m for McCain) to Janet Folger (Go Huckabee Go) to the National Right to Life Committee (Fred!) to the Home School Legal Defense Association PAC (Ditto what Janet said) - who have taken an “Anybody But Ron Paul” (ABRP) stand.
Anybody but the guy who is so pro-life he’s delivered over 4000 babies and who avers that he has “never once considered performing an abortion.” Anybody but the guy who is so opposed to government pork that he has been christened the “Taxpayers’ Best Friend.” Anybody but the guy who wants to stop offering “birthright” citizenship to illegal aliens. Anybody but the guy who, shortly after 9-11, authored the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. Anybody but the guy who wants to shut down the IRS and the Federal Department of Education and believes the Second Amendment means what it says. Anybody but the guy who has honorably served his country in the military.
It’s clear that Glenn Beck, et. al., either don’t understand or don’t care about limitations placed on the federal government and couldn’t be bothered with such inconvenient realities as “Iraqi refugees” and American military families struggling with multiple tours of duty. It’s also clear that “the quasi-Christian right,” to borrow seminary professor and self-supporting Ethiopian missionary Dr. David Alan Black’s phrase, has no interest in a candidate with a pristine personal life who walks the walk. Again, ABRP.
So, it’s both comical and appalling to watch this cast of characters actively working to silence or ignore one of their own party’s lions. But there’s blowback to the bloviating: Paul’s support among rank and file Republicans continues to grow.
Besides contacting right-of-center Ron Paul supporters for this article, I also contacted folks affiliated with popular venues and causes - and I’m paraphrasing myself - to ask “Why so little love from your block towards the champion of limited government and all other things truly conservative?”
Free Republic, National Review Online, the ministry of Dr. James Dobson, and Red State were among those I wrote (twice to Dobson’s organization and the person I contacted at NRO was someone who had previously interviewed me) with that paraphrased question.
Only Paul Cella, a Red State editor, gamely offered a response as to why his site decided to prohibit new account users to “shill” for Paul. In an e-mail, Cella stated, “Basically, the editors who do the hard work of policing comments were fed up with Ron Paul supporters, or I should say, with that particular faction of Paul supporters who frequent websites with the notion of turning every possible discussion into another appeal for Paul. It is very disruptive. I would imagine similar action would be taken if supporters of any candidate were showing up in such numbers, and with such monomania. In fact there have been a number of incidents with supporters of other candidates – just none this high-profile.”
(Monomania? I guess of the sort an overly enthusiastic LSU fan displays for the Tigers at an Alabama football game.)
I will agree that policing comments can be a thankless job, since the mannerless and grammarless will always be among us. However, appearing like an arbitrary censor is not the best strategy to win friends and influence people.
Red State’s policy, in fact, bothered Heather Labonte, a home education blogger, who has twice voted for George W. Bush. She recently joined the Web site and was surprised to find her views “banned.” After the embargo, she promptly wrote a letter to Red State noting, “I like Ron Paul because he believes that the basis for all of our government should be the Constitution. I believe that he tries to make all of his votes and decisions starting at that point.” Added Labonte, “My number one issue is abortion. By a long shot. I would vote for a pro-life Green Party candidate, before I would vote for a pro-abortion Republican.”
George Washington (if he had lived in an age of women’s suffrage) would describe that attitude as putting principles above party.
Like Heather Labonte, Chris Dortignac of California, is also a passionate pro-lifer (he’s child numero dos in a family of 14 kids) and a Paul supporter. The twenty-something has blunt advice for his generation about the political process. “We should examine which of the candidates has the best understanding of constitutional government. If it be Guiliani, (it’s not), then vote for him. If you are not familiar with the rights and responsibilities, restrictions and standards, the Constitution gives, then maybe you should not vote.”
John Spencer is a longtime “Freeper” who agrees with Paul’s economic positions, especially on the Federal Reserve System. He joined Free Republic when it was a site that “stressed the Constitution and individual rights.” Spencer has since become dismayed with how his “neocon” brethren at Free Republic have hijacked the debate. He sums up his frustration with the kind of barbed comment that the Internet inspires: “Since the IQ at Free Republic is no higher than 90, they can’t appreciate critical thinking.”
Judy Aron is the operator of Consent of the Governed blog and ran for the state legislature in Connecticut as a Republican. She advances a theory as to why the elites don’t care for Dr. No. Aron notes, “The Republican Machine won’t stand for him. They are desperate for Rudy, and they believe he is the only one able to beat Clinton, despite the Internet numbers and polling which demonstrate Ron Paul’s popularity.”
Tom Ambrose, former commentary editor of WorldNetDaily, agrees with that sentiment. Ambrose opines, “I can only guess that the GOP faithful are afraid he (Paul) doesn’t have the firepower to beat whomever the Democrats nominate. With such foolish thinking, of course, our nation is in serious trouble.”
An aside: Anyone who has watched the 72-year-old Paul up close and personal, as I recently did at Ronstock (5,000 people!) in Philadelphia, knows that he has the firepower – intellectual and physical – to stay focused on his thankless task and keep up with the never-ending demands of a presidential campaign schedule. He also has the support of his wife of fifty years, Carol, and his children and grandchildren.
Ted Maravelias, who was one of the original members of the “Buchanan Brigade,” remains politically active in GOP circles. He thinks that if Paul wins his home state of New Hampshire in the Republican primary, like maverick Pat Buchanan did in 1996, the attacks will only intensify. “The GOP has gone so far left under the pseudo-conservative Bush Administration, that a conscientious constitutional conservative, like Ron Paul, sticks out like a sore thumb,” observes Maravelias. He adds, “I will not settle for the lesser of two evils, no matter what. I am done with that. When asked if he would support the Republican nominee, regardless of whom it was, Ron Paul seemed to share my view. He reserved the right to see who it will be and what the person stands for.”
Like Maravelias, Charlie Meadows is a religious traditionalist and an active political conservative. Meadows, however, admits to being conflicted about Paul, because he doesn’t agree with the doctor’s position on the so-called “War on Terror.” That difference aside, Meadows, in a widely circulated e-mail to Religious Right activists in Oklahoma, wrote, “I believe Ron Paul would be the best person to occupy the Presidency to oppose the people and ideas which represent a threat to continuance of the American experiment from within.” Although a talk radio aficionado, Meadows disapproves of how the congressman has been caricatured by certain infotainment pundits. He brings up one familiar name: “I think [Sean Hannity] has the freedom to trash Ron Paul, but many true conservatives don’t care for Hannity. He’s a compromised conservative.”
Quasi-Christian, pseudo-conservative, compromised conservative … the Ron Paul candidacy has caused an unexpected separating of the goats from the sheep moment, hasn’t it? Will the real conservative please stand up? Is it those who will continue to support the New Age Monarchy, Big Brother, War is Peace policies of Team Bush via a Rudy McRomney presidency? Or is it those who will stand for the government envisioned by the Founders? Admittedly, if you wholeheartedly toss your lot in with the former, you’re going to be smeared by the professional chickenhawks and other sanctimonious sell-outs – those we wish would stick to mooning over their rising Halliburton stock options, blathering about their squishy candidates, rigging polls against Paul, gushing over the make-believe Jack Bauer, and leave the serious business of restoring a dying Republic to the adults.
Although the Ron Paul Revolution transcends cliques, it brings together a diverse coalition of Americans, because it is a thinking man and woman’s revolution.
After attending Ronstock in Philly, I concluded that Paul’s supporters come from all walks of life. They are the grassroots, not crabgrass. They are proactive, civic-minded volunteers who collect ballot signatures, hand out leaflets, donate money, write letters to the editor, attend Meetup groups, drive long distances in so-so weather, stand on a street corner with a sign, and register to vote. In short, people who are too busy to be spamming polls or concocting half-baked schemes to overthrow the government. Doug Bandow, the prolific op. ed. writer, even found a supporter who was selling his big screen TV on Craigslist in order to donate the funds to the Ron Paul 2008 – Hope for America campaign.
As Paul himself has said, “I like my special interests – individuals.”
So, if I, and other decided voters—e.g. social conservatives with a libertarian streak—find ourselves breaking bread with a pierced protest rocker or an exotic dancer or a nerdy tech guru or a Quaker pacifist or a rapper with street cred or a Vendetta mask wearer or a guy who favors a “nerdy and white” sweatshirt or an Ayn Rand acolyte or a “Don’t tread on me” flag waver, and, yes, even a Massachusetts “antiwar moonbat,” well, hallelujah. This is an inclusive civil rights movement for the unrepresented American. All are welcome—even recovering ABRP neocons—who embrace the message of liberty, peace, and rule of law and who are tired of injustice, death, and fakes.
In fact, in the 1980s, conservatives had an adjective for such a diverse coalition: Reaganesque.
Let freedom ring!
Izzy Lyman has been published in the Miami Herald, Wall Street Journal, Dallas Morning News, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Investor’s Business Daily, Boston Herald, Los Angeles Daily Journal, Daily Oklahoman, (Lancaster) Sunday News, Ventura County Star, and even in National Review.
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Ron Paul is ambivalent on Israel. That is his unforgivable faux pas.
If Ron Paul positioned himself as rabidly pro-Israel, then the “anybody but Ron Paul” phenomenon within the Republican Party would evaporate immediately.
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Ron Paul is not ambivilant on Israel.He wants to cut off all aid now 3 or 400 bilion dollars and the Iraq war is enough.Let Israel defend itself with it’s own blood and treasure.Israel is not worth one drop of American blood or one American dollar.Ron does not discriminate against Israel,he wants the rest of the world to run itself, without any money from us either.Let the world take care of itself and we will mind our own bussiness.
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on Dec 16th the Boston Tea Party event takes place. Anyone who can make it, please go. Also, this is another Money Bomb Day so please donate what you can.
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I feel sorry for people that are excited about the Ron Paul campaign.
Democracy is a farce.
If the people that run the country wanted Ron Paul elected, he would be. Voting for Ron Paul is no different than cheering for your favorite professional wrestler (or NASCAR driver, for that matter). The system is rigged, elections are fake, we are ruled over by several thousand (hundred?) “elites” that decide on for what our billions and billions of tax dollars are spent/wasted.
The REAL “Ron Paul Revolution” would be people with guns killing government employees, as ALL REAL revolutions actually function.
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Other reasons the mainstream hate Ron Paul is that he’s against the kind of state capialism that the GOP has represented since its birth in the mid 19th century. They don’t care about his support for conservative values because conservative values have always been way down on the list of things that the GOP really cares about. It’s just propaganda to make people think the values are at the top of the list when the things that are actually at the top of the list are: the Lobby, oil, weapons makers, protectionism and subsidies for their big-business cronies, open borders, unitary executive theory tyrrany, WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, NAU, the Federal Reserve, etc.
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i used to believe Democracy is a farce too.
but then you see what just happened to chavez.
how slavery ended, the womens lib movement, etc.
all these were movements that succeeded against the status quo.
so i disagree with your stance, the all powerful elite may be able to manage a majority of the worlds, but they can’t micro manage everything.
and i believe in the end, people get what they want, and honestly i think the government wants to give it to them.
they spend billions of dollars on polls, focus groups, and pycho-analysis to figure out what it is you want, so they can get money/power by promising to give it to you. and they know what we want, and that is: to be taken care of. and they know we’ll give up all our liberties in exchange for a free government check.
the problem is the people. the baby boomer generation is the worst plight american society has seen. they are the shining example of what over privilaged free love brats can do to society. they got everything they ever wanted out of life, bought it all on credit and now are going to tax their kids to pay for their retirement benefits.
another decade and they’ll be out of power and future generations will be forced to pick up the pieces.
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“Dittos” Isabel
G Speed
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My only regret about the Ron Paul campaign is that he is not running for election in Canada, my home and native land. Of course, he would have his work cut out for him as he sought to combat Canada’s managerial state and its ideological lapdogs on the left. It wouldn’t be too long before the national media tar the good doctor as a fanatical rightist simply because he desires to reduce the power of a collectivist regime. Still, my prayers go out to this last true classical liberal.
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To Andrew Capp: Our revolution must be peaceful or we will lose all moral credibility. This is very important.
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If Ron Paul positioned himself as rabidly pro-Israel, then the “anybody but Ron Paul” phenomenon within the Republican Party would evaporate immediately.
I think that the above is absolutely correct.
I am “hispanic” and I voted for Pat Buchanan in the 1992 primaries.
For years I blogged in places conservative with much positive responses. And now, I write the same things and I am a “wingnut.”
I read National Review and observed their late purges. I unsubscribed.
I have been been a GOP Delegate to the Texas State Convention but I quit voting in the primaries for a couple of cycles, did not vote for W as POTUS and began voting Constitution Party. I am going back to the GOP to voe for Dr. Paul. I converted 2 coworkers and they will vote, for the first time in their life, in the GOP primary ... for Dr. Paul.
That is 3 new GOP primary voters for Dr. Paul. My wife has remained semi-active in the GOP and she will vote for Dr. Paul, And I am not the only case of a person going back and with new people.
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From my #2 son: What to you get when a Puerto Rican (me) marries and farm girl from Mississippi (my wife)?
A hickspanic.
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I think the Republican Party would rather lose to Hillary than run Ron Paul and win. Ron Paul is the only Republican with the credentials to take on Hillary. He is the only one offering a change of the current destructive course. The Republican Party stance is anybody but Ron Paul, including Hillary.
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Izzy Lyman:
“Da Man” is in fact A. Hamilton. Get ready for Thomas DiLorenzo, Hamiton’s Curse due out this spring.
The situation is simple: Politics in the Lincolnlands, be it Hamiltonian or be it F. Rooseveltarian Socialist, is about voting oneself a paycheck out of the treasury, or about politicians buying votes with such paychecks. The media and the chattering class are the mouthpiece of such voters and such politicians. Our Ron Paul is for stopping these robbers. So he isn’t popular with them.
Take the flag off your car and replace it with the Stainless Banner, or because you live in the dangerous People’s Republic of Taxachoosits, the Stars and Bars (unknown to the locals, and they’ll ask what it stands for). For the current Yankee flag does not represent the old Jeffersonian Republic or the men of Lexington and Concord. It represents Lincoln’s trashing of their work and replacing it with a new constitutional order, a Hamiltonian one.
Then Join the League of the South, whose argument is cogent and watertight:
1. The Yankee Empire is broken.
2. It can’t be fixed.
3. As its inevitable and imminent doom approaches, every citizen will have to decide how to save his hide.
4. The League knows how.
In the meanwhile, Go, Ron Paul!
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<<What to you get when a Puerto Rican marries and farm girl from Mississippi?>>
Murdered, if you were the priest that married you
two in 1921 Birmingham, Alabama.
http://www.fathercoyle.org/index.htm
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liberals hate him beause he is pro life. republicans hate him because he is anti war. the rest is just rhetoric. great piece
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Mr. Capp:
Ah. Then again not all Puerto Ricans look the same. Perhaps you are correct, perhaps.
I come from Spanish lines and I do not look like the West Side Story stereotype. BTW, a former boss of mine from Puerto Rico attended MIT when West Side Story came out. He hated it with a passion. And in my experience, I have never seen so many pocket knifes as I saw in Miss. It is obvious to me that if the highjacked 9/11 airplanes had originated in Jackson, Miss or Birmingham, Alabama, the highackers would have gone deaf at the sound of all the Bucks and Old Timers being opened.
The way, as in life’s road, I met my wife was through 2 friends of my Dad’s. Old Army friends (Korean conflict era) who were stationed in Puerto Rico; one from Birmingham, Alabama, the other from somewhere in Texas. Both white folks and the guy from Alabama from a well-to-do family. They both married Puerto Rican women and stayed in P.R. after the Army. Both of them were recruiters for Miss. State U.
Yes, there was some friction but Alice’s Dad and I, eventually, developed a really good friendship. Her extended family was never a problem. I took time for them to know me but, praise Jesus, all is well.
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I used to be a member of League of the South but personal ups and downs of finances I have not renewed membership in many years.
I read history, especially, from the Southern perspective. I followed the link and read about Father Coyle. I am not sure what was more of a determinant factor: the skin issue or the Catholic issue. Probably both.
The 2nd incarnation of the KKK started more as a reaction against Catholicism and the new wave of immigrants.
A far cry form someone like Jefferson Davis, who was educated by Catholics.
When I met my wife I was an agnostic, after a few years of being an open atheist. Yes, I grew up Catholic.
I became Christian after I married my wife.
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They are so used to astro-turf that they think anything that actually grows is crab-grass.
In any case, the supporters of Rudy McRomney have to abandon any principle and have to support “the team” so much that it has destroyed any real motivation. The machine can get a few people to go through the motions. They can pay a few others. Same on the Dem side. But Paul supporters have a fire fresh from Prometheus. They aren’t merely changing things, they are recreating the system, bypassing the ancient and decrepit machine. All the annoyance and frustration with both parties is coming together.
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Andy Capp: One of the great geniuses of the constitution is that it set up a system that achieves peaceful revolution every election, without the need for bloodshed.
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“The REAL “Ron Paul Revolution” would be people with guns killing government employees, as ALL REAL revolutions actually function. “
That’s for after we win the election.
Patience.
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It would be foolish to believe any real change can be made in America without a lot of dead civilians and government employees.
Power in this world is not in the ballot box, but in violence. And violence is the logical conclusion of the ballot box. Violence is the logical conclusion to ANY form of government/coercion.
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I’m likely to be one of those Guy Fawkes mask-wearers. I know I’m not the kind that can easily win appeal from the majority of people for my candidate of choice. As such, I am glad to know people with more widely-held beliefs are on board with Dr. Paul as well and who can get word out without raising as many eyebrows as I seem to.
Let’s make this happen!
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Hearing Paul’s immigration views once again today on The View (what an awful show) makes me irritated with him. He really needs to educate himself on this issue by going to places like vdare.com and reading the works of Pat Buchanan, Tom Tancredo, Peter Brimelow, etc. It’s not all about economics as he seems to think. There’s also this little thing we call CULTURE.
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The sad part is that many people like Ron Paul’s consistency, integrity, and stands on the issues, but haven’t yet backed him because they are looking for a “viable” candidate.
Wake up, people. When a candidate is raising the most money in the fourth quarter, has more volunteers than all of the other candidates combined, is winning most of the party’s straw polls, and is drawing the biggest crowds, he IS viable.
Many people would rather give up and complain that the system is rigged, but that’s what “they” are counting on—that we don’t realize our own power to change things for the better.
Voter turnout in the primaries is absurdly low. Even if the polls are accurate (they’re not), Ron Paul could still win the nomination, if everyone who supports him simply registers to vote, and then does it.
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“Voter turnout in the primaries is absurdly low. Even if the polls are accurate (they’re not), Ron Paul could still win the nomination, if everyone who supports him simply registers to vote, and then does it.”
That’s exactly right and why I’m predicting a Ron Paul win here in NH. Visibly, his supporters here far outnumber any other candidates. John McCain tried the Hitler card and it backfired (McCain is afraid as he too knows already who will win NH)
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The wonderful thing about the Ron Paul campaign is that
it is a grassroots movement. As far as I know the
military-industrial complex does not support him, and
that is a very, very good thing. Because of the
groundswell Dr. Paul has generated, I would expect he
will win many of the state primaries in 2008 and force
the chowder heads who run the Republican Party to
face reality and nominate him for the Presidency. God
bless him.
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jimvkruse- I’m very much on the libertarian side of Pauyls’s supporters, I’m not a cultural conservative but i agree about the View. Daytime TV is a total cesspool. it’s because women mainly watch it that they don’t clean it up
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Andy Capp: Cool it. I can’t countenance anything that even smacks of calls for violence. Don’t undermine the good work the campaign is doing and play into the hands of the Smearbund by engaging in such wanker fantasies.
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I just watched the View Ron Paul clip. If you pay careful attention when the clip starts you’ll notice that a good number of seats on the show are empty. And, one can easily see that the show’s hosts would rather talk than listen, they just can’t stop talking actually. Why have guests.
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Mr Sarto,
You took my statements the wrong way. In no way am I advocating violence. I simply am saying that despite all of the good people expect to do with the ballot box, the only way REAL change will come about is through violence - eg the American Revolution, the War Between the States, the Spanish-American War, The Great War part I, The Great War part II, etc.
If Ron Paul were elected president, the only way he could fundamentally change American politics is with the backing of the military, especially if the “civil authorities” that control the “civil police” were to not bow to his authority.
What I am saying is that if Ron Paul is elected, expect either nothing to change, or expect a true-to-life “civil war”, fought by people that do not want to lose their power against those that are willing to give up power, ie everyone else versus Ron Paulites.
I am not here to smear Dr Paul, I am here to suppot him, but I am also here to bring us to reality: don’t expect much to change if Ron Paul is elected, OR expect society to come after “us”.
“The people” don’t want Ron Paul.
They want socialism, government handouts, WAR.
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Re the View: Dr Paul handled those 4 rabid bags just like a good doctor.He has the bedside manner needed to push his radical agenda.Tom Tancredo comes across as rabid dog and Pat is a good man but stll hasn’t got the doctors touch.Andrew Capp what kind of Catholic talks of violence except in extreme self defense.
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Here is the greatest “weapon” for winning the war in the abortion debate:
http://www.whendoeslifebegin.info
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<<Andrew Capp what kind of Catholic talks of violence except in extreme self defense.>>
Once again, I’m not advocating violence. I only
recognize that it is the only way to make a
fundamental change that doesn’t involve the Holy
Spirit, that is, the only fundamental change
that doesn’t involve violence, or at least the
threat of violence, is a conversion to the
One True Faith. Everything else in the world
is the result of violence.
What I’m getting at is: I’m not a “revolutionary”.
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I understand where you are coming from Andrew Capp. When Ron Paul becomes president the thieves will be out for blood to try and take back the system. In a very real sense Ron Paul’s run for office is in fact a war. Hopefully enough people will understand that there is a peacefull solution and the example of Jesus will endure. It is heartening that Ron Paul has more military support than any other candidate.
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We are advocating a peacefull revolution.We are against all violence except in extreme self defense.Dr. Paul uses Catholic just war theory and is an advocate of only nonviolent dissent and the ballot box.He quotes St. Augustine all the time.
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<<Hopefully enough people will understand that there is a peacefull solution and the example of Jesus will endure.>>
Yeah, right. Don’t count on it.
http://www.zombietime.com/really_truly_hillary_gallery/Hillary48.jpg
http://www.blogactive.com/uploaded_images/giuliani_in_drag-752491.jpg
Face it, the campaign is being led by a revolutionary communist and a fascist drag queen, you decide which is which.
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Ron Paul had better get ahead of the Fair tax issue ASAP or risk losing money and support to Huckabee. If Paul has a better plan than the Fair Tax he should get it out FAST!!
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<<If Paul has a better plan than the Fair Tax he should get it out FAST!!>>
He already has. It’s called slash government spending by 90(?) percent, eliminate the IRS and the income tax, and collect what little revenue that is needed with tariffs, land leases and the such.
The problem is that 90+% of the population are opposed to such a thing, and that is why only 10-% would ever vote for Ron Paul.
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RP does have a better plan: eliminate the income tax and replace it with NOTHING.
I do not support the “fair” tax. I prefer RP’s no income tax. 2nd choice is a real flat tax after, say, the first $30,000 income.
I DO NOT want the Feds to tax transactions directly. Especially whith all the talk of a national ID. What would be next, required ID to buy/purchase?
No thanks.
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Andrew Capp,
What we will in effect be asking the elites to do is peacefully turn back over to us trillions of dollars that they have pilfered from honest citizens and that their money laundering through the military is at an end. Maybe Ron Paul should hold off on reversing the Patriot Act. It would be ironic to see it used against these criminals.
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Hey, folks, look what I found!
http://catholicsforronpaul.blogspot.com/
Each time I watch his speeches I wonder how can a modern-day politician speak so naturally. Ron Paul speeches are completely devoid of rhetorical technique. He simply doesn’t know how to be a demagogue, and that’s what I like best about him.
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“The REAL “Ron Paul Revolution” would be people with guns killing government employees, as ALL REAL revolutions actually function. “
As a gov. employee who plans to vote for Ron Paul, maybe you could ask who the gov. employee voted for before pulling the trigger. Thanks in advance.....
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oh brother. violent revolution. takimag is where the paleo nuts meet the civil war re enactment nuts. put down your muskets
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Young. Have you noticed how most of Paul’s
supporters are under 25. Measure that against
Rudy’s supporters who always wear ties. Sorry,
the establishment cannot be overturned.
I’m on the side of the revolution. The only
way to beat the establishment is recognize they
are not human and do to them what we do to
hundreds of cows in this country every day.
Just buy a weapon and recognize the inhumanity
you have in yourself and be done with it.
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“I think the Republican Party would rather lose to Hillary than run Ron Paul and win.” I think this absolutely sums it up. A loss by Romney, Giuliani or whoever can just be blamed on Bush-weariness, poor campaigning by the nominee or whatever else. A victory by Paul, on the other hand, would really shake up entrenched GOP forces who care about power and money and could give a damn about principle.
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Andrew Capp,
Don’t underestimate the power of the people in their numbers to effect change without violence. It is also an historical fact that significant change has occurred many times due to the overwhelming demand of the people themselves. They only have to wake up and seize that power. Attempts at peaceful change must be exhausted before anyone even mentions alternatives. To do otherwise immediately changes the debate from the issues at hand to something entirely unproductive.
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The Sidster/Andrew Crapper is going crazy tonight. Must be because of the good news (good for the rest of us that is) that Iran isn’t working on a nuclear weapons program at present. So, that means Bush the Coward won’t be able to manufacture an excuse, at least based on the nukes issue, to bomb Iran. No doubt the Sidster was counting on a war with Iran, as were all Neocons and Neocon fellow travelers. Knowing the Sidster and what a “Mr. Potter” he is, he was likely structuring his investments to take advantage of the chaos a war with Iran would bring. But now, the Sidster will have to settle on all that third world slave labor to get him an extra One percent gain instead of the big banger from the (now averted?) illegal war with Iran.
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After his defeatist postings did not have the desired effect of discouraging support for Ron Paul, Andy Capp now strikes me as one of those neocon moles who desperately try to elicit a pro-violence response from Ron Paul supporters in order to paint them as “nuts” and “crazies”, no good American would want to associate with.
Andrew, go back to your friends at Commentary and other neocon propaganda outlets.
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Sam,
Me and Sid Cundiff are two different people...not that it matters here on the “internets”...for all I know, “Sid Cundiff” is even crazier than he makes out to be, and is also “Sam Spade”, among a host of other “people” on this forum...for all I know, “Sid Cundiff” could be writing the articles for this website as well...anyway…
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<<neocon moles who desperately try to elicit a pro-violence response from Ron Paul supporters>>
Calm down everyone! I was merely pointing out the FACT that it takes VIOLENCE to have a REVOLUTION!
I’m not the one calling it a “revolution”, don’t shoot the messenger!
You libertarians are exposing yourselves by calling it a “revolution”! If you want the support of the “paleos” (and I don’t know if the average Ron Paul supporter actually does), then you must back away from the idea that it is or can be a “revolution”. Has anyone ever described himself as a “revolutionary conservative”? NO.
How about this: “The Ron Paul Reaction”
We are not revolting against “the man”, we are REACTING to the “revolution”. However, I would guess that most of the Ron Paul supporters would cringe to be called “Ron Paul Reactionaries”...images of the Brownshirts would pop into their heads, etc.
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It’s not hard to imagine that the leader of the anti-war movement is a peaceful person as are the majority of his followers.
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Mr Capp:
“I was merely pointing out the FACT that it takes VIOLENCE to have a REVOLUTION!”
No it doesn’t it also takes virtue. Any lasting change has a good beginning
“both parties, whenever their share in the government does not accord with their preconceived ideas, stir up revolution. Those who excel in virtue have the best right of all to rebel (for they alone can with reason be deemed absolutely unequal), but then they are of all men the least inclined to do so.” Aristotle Politics
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The neo-conservative fascists in power today, took over w/o widespread violence. They did it by methodically educating the masses with their socialist policies. We can do so too with Constitutional, free-thinking, “Reaganesque”, policies, that are very, very, popular. It shouldn’t be hard folks, men naturally were created to desire freedom!
It must be done by out smarting them. They are already being out smarted by the RP Revolution, and they are trying to deny it, but they won’t be able too for long. http://www.ronpaul2008.com
BTW, Israel has the capability of blowing any one of the mid-East, Israel-hating nations off the map. Remember, Israel already has nukes, and knows how to use them! They are big boys, they can take care of themselves...if only we would let them!
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Andrew Capp ~
You need to button that top button, your TROLL tattoo is showing.
Is it just me or these pro-violence trolls increasing lately in Ron Paul threads?
Dr. Paul & his supporters are nonviolent
antiwar types. Even the 2nd Amendment gang, you’d have to break into their chicken coop & be making off with the lot to even get them to fire a warning shot.
Humphhh.
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Great Article! And an intresting analysis of the cesspool of American Politics. Ron Paul was not my first choice, and I had to actually do some homework, understand what his message was, and then come to the conclusion that he was actually the only candidate that can fix America! As a Doctor, he realizes that everyone else is simply putting bandaids on a cancer. But, the original Constitution will actually cure this sick and infected society that we have allowed to be created by corrupt politicians that are owned by their DONERS! I voted for GWB twice, and the only regret that trumps that is the fact that I have NO WAY to appologize to Ross Perot for NOT voting for him when I actually believed his message! He tried to tell America what the results of NAFTA would be, and the GLOBALIST successfully portraid him as unelectable."Neoconservatism" is not conservatism at all, and is actually a jacobin/liberalism for the elitist! Unless Dr. Paul wins the GOP nomination, I will be voting third party from now on, and laughing as Hillary eats the young of the neocons that have damaged America!
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Unlike Dennis Kucinich, I’ve never seen a UFO.
Not to worry, Reagan also saw a UFO. Besides, saying one saw a UFO doesn’t mean you saw little green men from Messier 45 [Pleiades/Seven Sisters]
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Has anyone ever described himself as a “revolutionary conservative”? NO. -Andy Capp
What do you consider the Gingrich revolution?
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“What do you consider the Gingrich revolution?” - JetMechanX
A big scam.
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“Ron Paul is not ambivilant on Israel.He wants to cut off all aid now 3 or 400 bilion dollars and the Iraq war is enough.Let Israel defend itself with it’s own blood and treasure.Israel is not worth one drop of American blood or one American dollar.Ron does not discriminate against Israel,he wants the rest of the world to run itself, without any money from us either.Let the world take care of itself and we will mind our own bussiness”
Amen, amen, and amen, well-stated!!
Israel should not be a policy-deciding concern nor a problem for patriotic-minded
American citizens. Let Israelis take care of their own problems
with THEIR OWN blood and treasure, NOT the American taxpayer’s.
We should not ever be forced to subsidize a foreign state, and
Dr. Paul being the patriot he is fully recognizes this.
Let’s return to the Republic.
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I hope that when Dr. Paul stops supporting the evil regime in Israel the people of that country will rise up and decide to make peace with their neighbors. They can then cease to be held hostage for the sake of eternal war and murder.
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Announcing a new event for Ron Paul for President - HQNH!
What: Raise Money to get the blimp to NH
When: Friday, December 7, 11:00 PM
Where: Click the link below to find out!
Event Description: There’s a project working to get a blimp launched with Ron Paul’s name on it underway. They need to raise $200k by Friday night, and are still a little short of the goal.
The plan is to launch it from North Carolina on the 10th, fly over the Washington-Boston corrider to arrive in Boston in time for the Tea Party, then spend three weeks touring New Hampshire until the primary. Also on the list is Times Square on New Year’s, where the blimp will be seen via live television all over the world. There are even plans to hover over the other candidates at their own NH rallies. :)
This will likely get all kinds of media attention, probably worth at least ten times the cost of the blimp itself. Many reports, as well as XM radio, have already asked to be on board when it sails over Washington, D.C. It is also hoped that the buzz and presence of the blimp will drive the Tea Party fundraiser higher - perhaps making back the cost of the blimp on that day alone. Even Dr. Paul himself has said that he is excited to see the blimp take flight. IF YOU DONATE $5,000, YOU CAN GET A RIDE ON THE BLIMP!
If you would like to help, please consider sponsoring the blimp by going to the following website:
http://ronpaulblimp.com/
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Dear Andrew,
I’m glad to hear you weren’t making the point I’d feared you were making. Thanks for clarifying, but please be careful, ok? Tempers can get heated, and people can say things they really don’t mean--but it can have bad effects.
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Hey Bill W. I am going to sponsor your blimp. I think it is awesome. I saw thatit actually got some air time on FOX News. What is really cool is that people keep asking me who Ron Paul is because I have either a pin or hat on and they are curious because they are seeing signs everywhere. I am thinking of holding a registration party because I know a lot of people who are not registered. Keep up the good work in New Hampshire. I was really excited to get a recorded message from Ron Paul’s wife. It shows me that our hard work and dedication is paying off and he is getting his name out there. It has gone from hearing the words “who the heck is Ron Paul I have never heard of him?” to “who is Ron Paul I see his name everywhere?”
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I do believe that Ron Paul can win..........That being said, I also believe that Leviathan will not allow it anymore than allowing George C. Wallace to become President?.............It has taken 50 years to get the truth regarding the attack on the USS Liberty!
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