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Message: Entry: The Gospel of Hope Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/the_gospel_of_hope#11016 Post contents: Spartacus Not, I think my point was that revelation ended with the death of the Last Apostle and Traditional is not always a precise condition in the Church. It took the Church 45 years to say that the Ancient rite of Mass was never abrogated outlawed,extinguished etc.. Interea, there might have been saints on both sides who have died and gone to heaven -- some thinking yea and some saying nay. Tradition is within the Church and defined by the Church, true enough. But in this world we live in time and not eternity.One could not boast he obeyed the apostle , if he knew damn good and well what Iscariot was up to. cheers Sent at: 2008 07 25