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Entry: A Sensible Immigration Policy Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/a_sensible_immigration_policy#12912 Post contents: I am Not: Ok 1) The 9/11 and the first WTC bombing were not committed by students on visas. 1a) The other terrorist bombings and shooting in this country have been committed by American citizens born and bred and several generations from their immigrant roots; or done by the US government to its own people. 2) Since the ad did not specify which countries were terrorist countries, either a currently specified list would be nice ( North Korea, Iran, Sudan, Cuba, Syria are the nations the State Department currently lists as sponsors of state terrorism) 3) None of the nations on the current state sponsors of terrorism list have sponsored any terrorism here but Pakistand, Saudi Arabia, Chile, Puerto Rico and Afghanistan have. 4)The 14th amendment giving ollie ollie oxen free citizneship to any offspring of any pregnant foreigner who manages to deliver within the current boundries is dumb, their is a constitutional way to change the wording of section 1 of that amendment. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The problem is that the first sentence is not ambiguous at all. Dropped here is citizenship here. The reason there is a 14th amendment is to constitutionalize the Civil Rights act of 1866 which granted all people born here citizenship here. Notice that Lady liberty sits in a harbour and welcomes folks coming from Europe by boat. Folks who were not going back to the old country. Nowdays very few come by boat or plane, our current immigrants walk a mile or swim a few hundred yards and going back home when the cheap labour demand falls is an easy and painless option. But while they are here most of them work ( off the books for cash as any true libertarian must approve of), save ( without savings there is no investment), and remit to their families in Mexico. As for the overwhelming of schools and government services, when something of value is offered for a 0 price, the demand will be high. Immigrants have nothing to do with the price set for those services. Free beer is free beer; better have enough kegs on hand to service everyone once you start advertizing your free beer. Ron wants 5 things in that ad: 1) Physically secure the border. Fences keep others out; they serve marvelously to keep you in too. 2) No Amnesty. Fine. What shall be done with them then? Send them all home, imprison them all, ignore them until they avail themselves of some of the free goodies. They are here, but many are now flowing back to there as the construction jobs dry up. The new law in Arizona is already motivating them to leave and it doesn't go into effect until tomorrow. State solution not Federal. 3) No Welfare to Illegals. Not a problem, once we are able to determine whether Jose is a third gen US citizen or a barely dry illegal. Maybe a National Identity card for benefits recipients is necessary. Maybe a Matricual Consular card from the Mexican embassy or someone on the corner would serve? 4) End birthright citizenship: Amend the constitution then. 5) No more student visas from terrorist nations. Refer to the start of this paragraph. Name the terrorist nations. 192 independent nations in the UN, add Vatican City and Taiwan, add non-independent colonies and territories ( Palestine and Puerto Rico are the two most populace non places ) There is your starting point, about 200 different geographical entities. Pare it down however you wish but tell us WHICH country's students you wish to forbid entry. Otherwise Point 5 is just dogwhistle fear mongering and I thought Ron was more cogent and thoughtful than that. I have no problem with amending the constitution since within itself it contains at least two methods to do so as envisioned by the authors. I have a lot of problem with a National ID card and the idea of "Your Papers Please" uttered by some DHS or TSA dogsbody or some Border Patrol warrior when I wish to visit somewhere in Canada or Mexico or wherever. The devil is in the details of implementing this "immigration policy" in a way that does not crush freedom. Oh and one question, if the 14th is amended will it retroactively remove citizenship? If the government can retroactively grant immunity for criminal acts can it not also retroactively remove unearned benefits? Not brief because immigration issues are really not fit for 30 second sound bites; cogent maybe maybe not. Sent at: 2008 07 09