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Entry: Libertarians in Heaven Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/blessed_libertarian#13486 Post contents: First, to that dear and kindly "traditionalist" Spartacus: you PROVE my points by your vitriolic and hateful response. So I am now one of "Satan's servants." Get off it! You realluy do suffer from some sort of disorder, Sir. I have any number of friends on this site...John Ball, Sid Cundiff, and others---with whom I disagree, and oftimes strongly--without telling them they are Satan's servants. There is such a thing as civil discourse, something you apparently never learned. And be careful about comparing yourself to St. Ignatius or the early Fathers. For those (very) few on this list who wish to actually see what the Society of St. Pius X says, the web address is: www.sspx.org/ and cast an eye to the link to "articles" which provides a number of references to points blurted out by Mr. Spartacus. Second, Okay, Sid, we won't go back to Quanta cura, but I am telling you that your definition of Infallibility is too restrictive. Look at any Catholic theological dictionary or reference (e.g. Ludwig Ott, Msgr. Hallen,etc.) Vatican I provided for specific instances of self-conscious declaratory pronouncements ex cathedra. But as anyone who has taken a beginner dogmatic theology class will know, the infallible nature of various papal pronouncements includes the following characteristics: (1) the Pope speaking qua Pastor and Magister, (2) addressing All the faithful, (3) on a matter of Faith and/or Morals, (4) that has been taught consistently/believed consistently, (5) with the language which clearly shows that the pronouncement intends to bind all in conscience. There is a myth that there have been ONLY two Infallible pronouncements in the past 160 years: the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception definitions. But what of the canonization of a saint--mustn't it be considered an infallible act. Would you deny that? And thus, Lucien Choupin SJ (in his standard reference VALEURS DES DECISIONS ET DISCPLINAIRES DU SAINT SIEGE --check it out, especially the encommia of Fr. Brian Harrison, onelin) Fernand Mourret (in his authoritative history of Catholic doctrine), Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange (in his dogmatic theology), the classic locus of theology, the DICTIONNAIRE DE THEOLOGIE CATHOLIQUE, etc., etc., which accord Quanta cura infallible status. Your argument is with them, not me, but with a consensus of Catholic theology. Sent at: 2008 09 06