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Message: Entry: Libertarians in Heaven Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/blessed_libertarian#13583 Post contents: Boyd Cathey's remarks on De Maistre is just what this website should be about: clarifying the "Tory" tradition against the Whig and "Far Right" traditions. Thanks, Boyd Cathey! The Neocons -- I have to say this again -- do NOT have their roots in Counter-Revolutionary Conservatism. Their roots instead go all the way back to the Exclusion Crisis in 1678-81. Indeed, tongue in cheek, they can be called "kinder, gentler" Cromwellians. They took over in England in 1688, called themselves Whigs, and misrepresented the events of that year. In 19th C Europe on the Continent they were called Nationalist Liberals. In Britain, the Whigs, sadly, joined with the English version of the Jeffersonian tradition, the Low Church and Non-Conformist "Radicals". In America, they are the Hamiltonians. Their chief theoretician is Hobbes. Their religion is Latitudinarian. Their key figures are "the Immortal Seven" of 1688, Walpole, Hamilton, Fox, Cavour, Lincoln. Their constituency are fiscal estate, not landed. Their program is neither Tory nor Jeffersonians: 1. Centralization in a massive national state 2. Control by that national state of the currency through a Bank that issues fiat money 3. Welfare for bankers and manufacturers 4. Imperial Expansion by that central state 5. opposition to the Catholic Church Sent at: 2008 10 07