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Entry: Race, Nationalism, and Patriotism, Part I: Race Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/race_nationalism_and_patriotism_part_i_race#15571 Post contents: @Sid Cundiff: <i>"Our writer has made a claim that the Catholic Church teach (to use the unreal subjunctive) that race supposedly matters."</i> I made no such claim. What I wrote was that Pius XI a) acknowledges the reality of race; and b) says that race, the people, and the State have "their standard value." That's not the same as saying that the Church "teaches" something. To say that the Catholic Church "teaches" something has a specific meaning, and thus I'm very careful to use that phrase correctly. Someone who spends so much time tapping out so many words might profitably spend a little time actually reading what other people write and trying to understand it. <i>"it is utterly, utterly ludicrous to use it to suggest a support for any racialist theory."</i> Again, I've done nothing of the sort, nor would I, since I'm not a racialist--except, of course, in the fever dreams of Sid Cundiff. And yes, the burden of proof is on you. I never claimed that the Church "teaches" anything about what the "standard value" of race might be; I simply pointed out that Pius XI's words indicate that race, like the people and the State, have a "standard value." You, on the other hand, wrote: "What then is The Church’s teaching as to the 'standard value' of race? I respectfully submit that the 'standard value' is is zero and that She so teaches." To which I reply, one last time: Prove it. If She so teaches, then show me one--just one--unequivocal statement where She teaches that. And no, the quotation from <i>Nostra Aetate</i> is not such a statement. "Any discrimination" means "any discrimination"; it does not mean "There is no such thing as race." What part of "their race, color, condition of life, or religion" do you not understand? Sent at: 2008 09 07