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Entry: Be Careful What You Ask For Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/be_careful_what_you_ask_for#18120 Post contents: <<Thanks to the Ecclesiastical Kerry (Mons. Lefevbre who voted for all the documents DURING the Council before he began to oppose them AFTER the Council) also eliminated was the healthy fear of schism. >> I see that you have no response to the actual argument put. As for this ad hominem, Lefebvre didn't vote for all the documents - that is a factual error created by a young researcher in the early 1980s who didn't know what he was looking at when he viewed the lists of signatures from V2 in the British Museum. He has since retracted his error, but unfortunately it took on a life of its own. In any case, if you read "I Accuse the Council" you will find Lefebvre said things like this on the floor of the Council: "This pastoral Constitution is not pastoral, nor does it emanate from the Catholic Church. It does not feed Christian men with the Apostolic truth of the Gospels and, moreover, the Church has never spoken in this manner. We cannot listen to this voice, because it is not the voice of the Bride of Christ. This voice is not that of the Spirit of Christ. The voice of Christ, our Shepherd, we know. This voice we do not know. The clothing is that of the sheep. The voice is not the voice of the shepherd, but perhaps that of the wolf." So much for your disgusting parallel between Kerry and Lefebvre. As for schism, the question is, from what? Joseph Ratzinger in Chile in 1998, "All this leads a great number of people to ask themselves if the Church of today is really the same as that of yesterday, or if they have changed it for something else without telling people." Sent at: 2008 05 16