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Entry: Mr. bin Laden, Meet Mr. Kennan--A New Containment Policy Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/mr_bin_laden_meet_mr_kennan_a_new_containment_policy#19568 Post contents: On "torture": Define "torture". I'll work with my own definition here. I guess I'm "pre-Enlightenment" enough to agree with this Fr Harrison character and Caper: Torture is something that is done out of proportion to what is needed. That is, if one is certain a prisoner has some information that could be used to save the lives/souls of thousands/millions, then any means necessary to extract that information is permissible, it is not "torture". "Torture" would be beating Mr Richert's hands in order to find out where he hid the Christmas cookies. It just wouldn't make sense. "Torture" is kicking a dog because you didn't get accepted to Princeton. It just doesn't make sense. "Torture" is aborting your baby because you're too lazy to breastfeed. It just doesn't make sense. "Torture" is NOT driving bamboo under someone's fingernails in order to find out where his country's leadership might be bombing innocent civilians tomorrow. To equate lashes against the Innocent Back of Christ with the lashes earned by a mutineer on the high seas is Sacrilege. Jesus was fully Innocent, whereas the mutineer deserves every bit of his punishment. What brings the justice of punishment into sight is the injustice of Christ's punishment at the hands of His tormentors. In short, it is wrong, it is Sacrilege to infer Christ's own Sufferings onto the sufferings of the truly guilty. Sent at: 2008 09 07