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Message: Entry: Tribe, Class, and Murder Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/tribe_class_and_murder#19612 Post contents: To All: Those who support Nationalism -- racialist, ethnic, central-statist -- spit (I pray unintentionally) on the graves of Blessed Karl von Habsburg and Blessed Pius IX, two men conspicuously the victims of Nationalism, and repudiate (also I pray unintentionally) Piux XI's Mit Brennender Sorge. They also are ignorant of history. In the 19th C and much of the 20th, the Real Conservative parties (eg Tory, Carlist, Jacobite, and Legitimist) and Ultramontane Catholic parties were not the Nationalist Parties, and for good reason. The French Radicals in 1906 and Bismarck before them persecuted Catholics as being "un-French" and "un-German" respectively. Real Conservatives and Real Catholics should be today equally anti-Nationalist. Are Paleoconservatives really nothing but Neoconservatives who distinguish themselves only by their belief in Race, Tribe, Nation, or Judeophobia? [note the "or"] Mr. Z: Please while in Rome go to San Lorenzo fuori le Mura and pray at the graves of Bl. Pius IX and Alcide De Gasperi. San Lorenzo will be the station church Easter Wednesday. Sent at: 2008 05 16