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Entry: Tribe, Class, and Murder Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/tribe_class_and_murder#19651 Post contents: I know G. Zmirak has a PhD in creative writing or some such, but if he's gonna write history, or about nationalism, he should get it right. The national movements in his beloved Empire can be traced to at least 1782, the year of the imposition of official German on the Magyars, Croats, and all other of the constituent nations of the empire. Indeed when the great Croat printer and linguist Ludevit Gaj went to Hungary in the early 1800s he found the Magyar revival in full swing, and thus brought back the idea of a Croat national revival to Zagreb. He also instituted the movement to unify south slavs in so-called Illyrianism, long before the Marxist/Fascist bialect that Zmirak describes. Look, you guys seem to really want to get into this subject, leave off dabblers like Lukac, Muller, etc and get to the social scientists who know something about this. Recomendations, Gellners Nations and Nationalism, Hobbsbwm, Walker Connor, van den Berghe's The Ethnic Phenomenon (oh, Sid, might want to avoid that, meantions biology(). The real 'Romantics' here are those pining for a long dead, psuedo-Catholic empire. Sent at: 2008 05 16