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Message: Entry: A Chosen People without God--The Rise of the Neocons Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/a_chosen_people_without_god_the_rise_of_the_neocons#20304 Post contents: Referring to the Radical Republicans in 1864, Lincoln said: "They are utterly lawless---the unhandiest devils in the world to deal with---but after all their faces are set Zionwards." Mr Hadar thank you for your remarks. Overall, national interest, whether American or otherwise continues to sound like "beat'em & eat'em". It also parallels the three laws of thermodynamics, 1) you can't win 2) you can't break even 3) you can't get out of the game. Edmund Burke's comments about the Clive's & Hastings of his world..."soon the lawbreakers over there will be the lawmakers here" needs no further appreciation but could certainly use further updated explanation. Having been born in 1951 & paid fairly close attention to these issues since comin' of age. I have noticed a striking & significant change in recent years(Clinton-Bush/Baby Busters). That is, many of the people I visit with whether from here or there no longer find the STATE relevant to their lives. Moreover, they essentially qualify it as an annoying, disappointing nuissance. This regard extends to all national institutions.(education, media, military, justice, religious, et al.) Reminding me of reactions to the Church's Supremacy towards the "end"....people of all walks & talks of life simply "don't believe" anymore. My most persistent thought is Man without either God or State. As for the American State: the ideas of "consent of the governed, checks & balances, sovereignty of the individual, will of the people" etc., are now regarded as late nite TV farce. It ALL looks like a Monty Python hour. I believe the American people & many others are having a very hard time squaring the Cold War Victory with the post-Cold War World....comments like the "reality-based" one made to Ron Susskind only serve to aggravate a festering sore. The wall may have come down in Berlin, but only to gone up every where else. And if America won the Cold-War, how is it that the "Stasi" are now in charge everywhere? The Russian "capitualtion" looks more & more Trojan by the day. If we won, how is it that we live & act like'em.? In concluding, I would like to add one last observation. It seems to me that whether in America or Britain, Israel or wherever...that the war between the "national interest" and the people has reach an alarming "tipping point"...the centre is not holding anywhere. Anecdotally, I do not believe that the State(national interst) can afford to marginalize society much more than it already has without prompting situations that will make most situations unrecognizable. The coming economic downturn in the "west" will serve not only to disappoint, but equally as important...remove the distractions of stocks & real estate....leaving a pretty bare view of the real world. This will be impacting the retiring "baby boomer" generation world-wide. PS///Michael Oren, although an apologist in his work, "Power, Faith & Fantasy... lays out a decent history of the American foreign behaviour(policy) in the Mediterranean Basin since the "Founding".It should certainly help some see the "Neo-khan, Israeli" situation from a larger, longer American background. Apologists are to be considered most helpful...think of it as uncontrite confession. Sent at: 2008 10 13