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Message: Entry: Wolfe's Howl Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/wolfes_folly#2063 Post contents: It is certainly true that American Freemasons often point out that many of the FFofA were Freemasons, and that the connection is undoubtedly exagerated. The assertion, "... it is Quaker, and Masonic, NOT to have an established Church"is incorrect, as Freemasonry in the U.S. and Britain has no policy (and cannot have a policy) on whether there should or should not be such a thing, because discussion of rleigion and politics is banned within its Lodges. It is not aligned to a specific Church, if that is what the comment means. Likewise: "The FFofA implemented a Masonic, secular, novus ordo, with a predominantly fundamentalist Christian population." Historically speaking, most Freemaons in the U.S. were Episopalian at least into the 19th century, and seemed to have been instrumental in establishing that Church (often funding building work, etc.). Not all of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons, so I am unsure why they should be singled out, though the suggestion seems to be that they are the evil hand imposing their world-plans on unwitting Christians, which is the sort of suggestion that would seem at home in a Dan Brown novel. In regard to the comment, "... a majority of the FFofA were Masons. Some were Deists. What the FFofA wanted to do was to create a Novus Ordo. They purposely rejected the Old Order of Europe. To say that the FFofA were conservatives is a hoot. They were Nihilists," this surely suggests that Freemasons were progressives who wanted to reject the old order. In some cases this was undoubtedly so (e.g., Voltaire), though Freemasons spannd the political spectrum, with some promoting revolution and some condemning it. Much of the development of Freemasonry in the 18th century is a reaction against revolution, and against secularism. Notably Joseph de Maistre was a Freemason, and believed that the sole purpose of Freemasonry was to reunite all of the Churches into one Catholic Church. Sent at: 2008 07 09