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Message: Entry: The Protocols of the Elders of Bryan--The Discovery Institute Inherits the Wind Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/the_protocols_of_the_elders_of_bryan_the_discovery_institute_inherits_the_w#22658 Post contents: I used to read the Derb on a regular basis starting in the late 90s. I noticed the slide towards religious sketicism long before Bethell's book. By 2002 he was attending church only from habit and his scepticism was obvious. I read the exchange between Derbyshire and Bethell on "American Spectator" not long ago. The Derb came out of that on the end of a very short stick. He was clearly out of his element and poorly informed as to the issues involved in Evolution. Having just read "The Corner" exchange, Derb came out just as badly as he did in the "American Spectator" exchange. This outcome has been the typical result of all exchanges on the subject. I observed this repeatedly in the 80s, when Duane Gish was shredding every evolutionist that dared stand on the same stage and debate him. The evolution camp had serious trouble with Gish as he held an earned PhD in Biochemistry and had reutation that was beyond question. I've read much on the Discovery website and have seen no evidence of the "anti-intellectualism" Seitz implies. My observation of the entire brouhaha is that the evolutionist side is utterly convinced that they have the answer when all they have is a framework for interpretation. It is both a conceit and a confusion of the facts on hand. Consequently, they engage in consensus "science" which actively discourages anything that may question the consensus. The end result is not science, but another religion. Sent at: 2008 10 13