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Entry: Remembering WFB Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/remembering_wfb#22682 Post contents: @I am not Spartacus: I actually agree with you. Most of the contemporary "First Generation" partisans of error did indeed go to pre-Vatican seminaries and worship in ornate churches; I would be the first to admit that there were very serious problems, theologically, in both the USA and in Europe prior to 1960. After all, Marc Sangnier was active in the 1910s, Emmanuel Mounier a few decades later, Maritain--in his "democratic" period--in the 1930s and '40s, and Teilhard flourished in the 1940s and 50s. Many of our seminaries, bishops, and theologians were already in decay. BUT, although this is certain, I do believe, and I think it is verifiable historically, that the moldernist applications of Vatican II and progressivism have accelerated and given legitimacy to that process, that priot to Vatican II, was thought of by many Catholics as an exception, not the rule. However, I do maintain that it is much "easier" to practice the faith if the environment is conducive. It is much easier to maintain the Faith if the parish priest is traditional, and not preaching "liberation theology" or "ordination for women." It is easier to be an orthodox seminarian if the professors and fellow seminarians adhere to Tradition. And, let it be said, Iconoclasm is a heresy...Catholics should prize beauty, ornate churches, the grandeur of a sung Gregorian Mass, all of which are certainly externals, but can enhance, from an apologetics view, one's devotion, and encourage one to explore the Faith. That is what I was saying. Sent at: 2008 11 23