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Entry: Is There Conservatism Beyond Christianity? (or how to book a mental vacation in Athens or Valhalla) Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/is_there_conservatism_beyond_christianity_or_how_to_book_a_mental_vacation#23366 Post contents: @Dr. Havers: "Like it or not, we all benefit from the Anglo-American Enlightenment in achieving (at least until the radically secularist 20th c) this separation." The problem is that to establish that separation in the first place, you have to set social forces in motion (or legitimize forces already in motion) that lead inexorably to the "radically secularist" society we have today. To borrow a lovely simile from someone earlier in this discussion, saying that you like separation of church and state but you don't like today's "radically secularist" society is like saying you love kittens but can't stand adult cats -- and worse, it implies that you don't understand that it is the nature of kittens to grow into adult cats. Sent at: 2008 10 12