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Message: Entry: Nationalism is What We Need Now--The Case for an "Unpatriotic Conservatism" Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/nationalism_is_what_we_need_now_a_case_for_an_unpatriotic_conservatism#23387 Post contents: Sid, Would you admit that "we" -- the West -- should at least determine an agreement over what is and what is not part of the nation? While I agree that nationalism certainly led to WWI, in the end it is valid for historians to think otherwise or to redefine nationalism, like McCarthy. After all, it was young men who killed each other in Europe. Many demographers think that it was the European son-surplus, which gave all these testosterone-ridden militarists in power the means to go to war. These days, the fertility is quite low. What I'm saying is this, nationalism alone isn't sufficient for the horrors of August '14. For barbarism like that, you also need the young son surplusses of the early 20th century. It wasn't 'nationalism' per se what was killing people in Verdun. It was the disease of ideology (communism, nazism, jacobins) in combination with masses of angry young men. Sent at: 2008 05 16