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Message: Entry: Is There Conservatism Beyond Christianity? (or how to book a mental vacation in Athens or Valhalla) Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/is_there_conservatism_beyond_christianity_or_how_to_book_a_mental_vacation#23389 Post contents: Sid, I noted earlier that modern Protestants have an incredible ability to forget what used to be the key ideas of their religion. Jews seem to share this same capability, or can you give me examples of modern Jews emphasizing the importance of pride as a sin and giving detailed descriptions of what it means to be proud, so people can avoid this sin? Similarly, can you give examples of large-scale Jewish discussions of the meaning and importance of humility, meekness, turning the other cheek, not revenging wrongs and loving your enemies? Also, can you give examples of large numbers of Rabbis scolding people who claim to be Jews for not adhering to these virtues? As innumerable branches of Christianity prove, the fact that a moral ideal is mentioned somewhere in the Bible does not mean people who today call themselves Christians would adhere to that moral. Sent at: 2008 09 05