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Message: Entry: Nationalism is What We Need Now--The Case for an "Unpatriotic Conservatism" Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/nationalism_is_what_we_need_now_a_case_for_an_unpatriotic_conservatism#23407 Post contents: Very interesting piece! It seems to me that "patriotism" is a human quality or attitude, like honesty, integrity, etc. "Nationalism" is an ideology like liberalism or Fascism. Also, as I've indicated in response to an earlier post: One can make a distinction between "organic" nationalism associated with Johann Gottfried Herder and Johann Gottlieb Fichte (among others) and the notion of the juridico-political state with that of the "folk-nation" that reflects not only a certain geographical entity, language, and citizenship but also historical roots that include religion, ethnicity, and race. On the other side, you have "liberal" nationalism where "nation" evolves in the context of the jurisdiction of the state with citizenship being the lowest common denominator, then comes language (although nation-state can be multi-lingual like Switzerland), etc. So there is a certain continuim here leading from one extreme (where, say, racism could be basic nationalist identity, like in Nazi Germany) to the other extreme where like in the case of the liberal, multi-culturalist state, nationalism is being "de-nationalized" as even basic traits such citizenship, common history and language are drained of their meanining. Sent at: 2008 05 16