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Entry: The Morning Scene Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/the_morning_scene#24133 Post contents: Mr. Dean, "Certainly there are some parallels between the US and Israel in attaining land unlawfully. But so what? That’s a reducto ad absurdum argument. What did Ted Bundy do that American soldiers didn’t do in WW2? What did Bill Clinton do with an intern that JFK didn’t do 500 times with the White House secretarial pool? It’s such a stupid argument I’m kind of amazed that anyone would make it. But just to keep things very simple, a much better (but still too mild) analogy for the situation in Gaza and the West Bank is South Africa. Not the US. Start your moral arguments there. It’s more intellectually honest :)" Actually, conquest is conquest. Either the right of conquest exists or it doesn't. Therefore comparing the Us and Israel is not the same as comparing mass murder and warfare, unless you believe that war is murder. regarding Israel and South Africa, I don't rmemeber old South Africa creating affirmative action of South African blacks or having a situation where blacks owend more private land than whites. I don't recall Zulu being a national language. I agree taht the treatmetn of the Arabs in the disputed territories is deplorable, but this is due to the Intefadas. However, old scale ethnic relocation would have fixed things. I'm sure you don't support that , unless it is Jews being ethnically cleansed from Judea and Samaria. "t’s fairly clear to everyone that thinks about it that a Jewish state should exist in some form, but imposing it on the local population of an area that had entirely reasonable claim to the land in question and nothing to do with the atrocities of Hitler is quite insane, or at least quite unfair." You don't know your history. Arabs prevented Jewish immigration, which would have saved millions of lives. The "Palestinians" were led by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Jaj Amin Al-Husseni, a friend and ally of the Nazis. Joining the Muslim brotherhood, Husseini tried to facilitate of the conquest of the Middle East by Nazi Germany. Failing that, he fled to German territory and started to recruit Muslims from around the world to join the SS, specifically to murder Jews. After World War 2, many Nazis fled to the Arab states, where some trained the PLO, while others worked on new anti-Semitic propoganda using Israel as an excuse. Finally, most "Palestinians" are less native than the Jews. Between 1890 and 1944, more Arabs and other Muslims (notably Albanians, Bosnians, and Circassians) than Jews migrated to Palestine. Sent at: 2008 07 04