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Entry: National Consciousness And Nationalism Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/national_consciousness_and_nationalism#25474 Post contents: The problem with Mr. Larison's 'anti-nationalist' position is that he seems to think the 'ideology' came about from nothing -- Herder or whomever invented it in the late 18th century. This is well-trod ground, see Kedourie's work, Nationalism. I would say, however, that nationalism was present <i>avant la lettre </i> at least from the English reformation (see Greenfeld's Nationalism, Five Roads to Modernity. Moreover, Nationalism is an ideology in the sense that capitalism is. Smith and others systematized thought on how the actual economy operated, and in thus doing, actually created a justification for the further expansion of a certain way of organizing production. Likewise, Herder, Fichte and others were both describing how things were shaking out in Europe, and justifying that shake out. Finally, while it is true that Serbs are often identified merely as 'orthodox' in, say, censuses (Ottoman or Austrian), it is quite clear they knew which patriarchs were Serbs, which Phanariots, and often rebelled against being led by the latter. And of course the Romanians eventually rebelled against Phanariot princes. PS -- I am not Serbian, but play one on the internet Sent at: 2008 07 24