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Entry: Post-Christian America Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/post_christian_america#27624 Post contents: @PB. Yes I am R.C., just not as good of one as you, obviously. Your link to the catechism regarding sin oddly enough lacks vengeance in it's quotations; man's or God's. These five "sins that cry to heaven" are listed as: The Blood of Abel/Sin of Sodomites/Cry of People oppressed in Egypt/The cry of the foreigner, the widow and the orphan/Injustice to the wage earner. These sins are mentioned in a hierarchy of sins mortal and venial but it seems to me to take them literally and without interpretation binds them to their historical situation. Not saying that the quote in the catechism isn't omitting vengeance from a longer quote, but if it suits the catechism to omit it, it suits me as well. Thanks for pointing it out to me that my paltry paycheck is getting attention in heaven. Or is it? @Luke Landtroop. I am glad that you belong to a church that doesn't stress vengeance over mercy. I was speaking of those who conspire with zionists/likudniks to bring on the Rapture. I heard it referred here when W.F. Buckley died, something like, "beware those who would make heaven here on earth". It seems to me to signal a lack of faith when people are too anxious and hasty to administer God's justice themselves. Pax, PhilthyRex Sent at: 2008 12 03