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Entry: Rethinking 1948 Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/rethinking_1948#28254 Post contents: PB: " What is an independent Israeli conservative or a nationalist? A Zionist or no? Someone who is critical of the way the conflict is being handled?" An Israel nationalist would be a Zionist, but there are multiple schools of Zionism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Types_of_Zionism Most Israelis are critical of Olemrt's policies. The guy is in single digit approval numbers and his party, Kadima, will probably lose 3/4 of its seats. Would it be that hard to get someone like Shmeul Ben-Gad, who not only opposes aid to Israel but supported Ron Paul? Mr. Roach, American support for Israel has never been uncritical. Whether it was forcing ceasefires that saved Arab armies, pushing Israel to give up territory, or giving military aid to Israel's current and possible future enemies, the US has been anything but one sided. I find it unfortunate that you buy into liberal media lies regarding Deir Yassin, Sabra and Shatilla. There was no massacre at Deir Yassin and this has been proven repeatedly. Civilians die when soldiers use them as shields. The Arab forces at Deir Yassin pretended to surrender, drawing in members of the Irgun and Stern Gang, and then opened fire on them. Civilians died in the crossfire. Welcome to war. Unfortunately, the Israeli left, which was at ideological war (and in the case of Rabin fired on) members of the Zionist right, joined Arabs in perpetrating the myth for political ends. Sabra and Shatilla were real massacres, but they were revenge for massacre of Christian Lebanese. And the Phalangist Christian militia, which carried out the vengeance, was led by Eli Hobeka a Syrian agent. It was a sad incident, but par for the course of the Lebanese civil war. It was just played up so that Israel or the right-wing Israeli government would suffer. Finally, most the old Palestinians were a minority of Arabs in 1948. Get the demographics right. They were overwhelmed by the foreign Arabs, Circassian, and Albanian and Yugoslav Muslims resettled by the dying Ottoman Empire. It seems to me that your views come from uncritical acceptance of liberal propaganda. Then again, back in 2004 you did liken American opposition to immigration to the plight of the Palestinians, so you might simply be a partisan. http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/002151.html Madrid and Joe, Mr. Van crevelds asseriot about Israeli nuclear policy are unsighted incitement. He is too smart (I think) to presume that such claim of blackmail would not create resentment or even a backlash. And that is its only purpose. No one else claims that Israel target's any European city, save those in the USSR/Russia. That Israel would, as a last resort, bomb Arab lands is a given. Look up "The Sampson Option." Facing a successful genocidal war, the Israelis might well go tit for tat. Sent at: 2008 12 03