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Message: Entry: Willing Executioners?--The Holocaust, Germans, and Collective Guilt Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/willing_executioners_the_holocaust_germans_and_collective_guilt#28813 Post contents: We are all familiar with Hilberg's remarkable construction explaining how the exterminationist (or should that be destructionist?) Holocaust came to pass: "But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy. " This of course hardly marries with the USHMM definition.... "The Holocaust was the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of approximately six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators." .... it being impossible to square the "not organized centrally" with the "bureaucratic" circle: But so what? Enlightened souls who have penetrated the obnoxious charade practiced by those well versed in Holocaust charlatanry will no more than nod knowingly at such commonplace contradiction. Please indulge me as I serve up these two interpretations merely to set the scene for my question. We are also familiar with the tales regarding the lengths to which the Nazis went to keep their Holocaust secret. Quoting the USHMM again... "The Holocaust was a state secret in Nazi Germany. The Germans wrote down as little as possible. Most of the killing orders were verbal, particularly at the highest levels. Hitler's order to kill Jews was issued only on a need-to-know basis. The Nazi leaders generally avoided detailed planning of killing operations, preferring to proceed in a systematic but often improvised manner. The Germans destroyed most documentation that did exist before the end of the war. " So, my question is this: if the Holocaust began in 1941, when we can safely assume the Nazis believed they could still win the war, and the need for secrecy in carrying out their evil plan was clearly recognized - what exactly was their end goal? What was their plan come peace time? What I mean to ask is how did the Nazis plan on explaining away the disappearance of the Jews after the war? Or did they not think anyone would notice? Or did they just not recognize what was an obvious hole in their secret plan?... -Posted at the RODOH Discussion Group's "The Morning After" thread by Herbivorous Moose Sent at: 2008 12 02