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Message: Entry: Who Speaks for Europe? (on the PC defenders of the West) Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/who_speaks_for_europe_on_the_pc_defenders_of_western_civilization#29205 Post contents: Only a foolish or ignorant person would prefer Saudi Arabia to secular-humanist Amsterdam. A socially and theologically conservative Christian could live in Amsterdam, albeit with some problems from time to time, but not in Riyadh. So long as de Nederlands is a nominally Christian place, there is some hope for rejuvination and recovery, but contrast that with the Moslem world where one can be dhimmi or dead. Marc's plaint is similar to Bawer's, and it boils down to really wanting to have his cake and eat it, too. The libertine assumes that everyone else will continue to hew wood, draw water, grow food, etc. and generally be boringly normal, providing all the needed services and protection as well as a target to make sport of, of course. But the reality is as we see it: any society that abandons all standards in pursuit of hedonism, pleasure, doing your own thing, is completely ill equipped to resist the jihad. Sadly, Marc and his friends are a tiny piece of the decay of the West. So are my heterosexual friends who decided to put off having children until it became impossible, and who then decided not to adopt, either...for that matter. There is no great, one, decision that slides us all into the abyss, but rather a collection of small decisions that all point in the same direction. My advice to Bawer is to choose a side: either those unpleasant Reformed Protestants whom he disliked in Amsterdam and no doubt now dislikes in Norway, or the Jihad. Because in between them is only no-mans-land, if not now then in the not very distant future. My advice to Marc is the same. Choose a side. Either you are with the West, and accept some limitations, or you are against it, and embracing the Jihad, which is death to you. And on that cheery note, I bid all good night. Sent at: 2008 12 02