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Message: Entry: The Past Is Another Country--Counter-factual History and the Buchanan Controversy Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/the_past_is_another_country_counterfactual_history_and_the_buchanan_controv#29894 Post contents: I trust that Charles was parodying the failure of some commenters to understand basic facts and ascribe moral values when he wrote: "I remain unconvinced that Hitler was a fanatical ideologue. " Otherwise, I fear that pointing out Hitlers wittings, speeches, and actually conduct in power will not sway him, because nothing can. Mr. Moore, I hardly know where to begin. "RonL’s Manichean, black and white thinking continues to betray him as suffering from Neocon intellectual patterns." Considering your desire to call me a Neocon, a laughable false claim based in its own "us vs them" worldview, I do suggest that you stop calling the kettle black. "For Zionists, nearly every US Mideast policy is approached through the lens of “Is it good for Israel?” instead of “Is it good for America?” They then keep themselves willfully ignorant and in denial of any policies that are good for America, but bad for Israel, and ruthlessly attack those who do not." And certain people are so petty as to hate Israel for the sake angering of Neocons. These people reflexively oppose any policy in America's interest, which may benefit Israel. "The Iraq war flowed from this kind of thinking, as does the push for war with Iran." Taht Iran wants to destroy the US is manifestly less important than the fact that disarming Iran would also help Israel. Res Ipsa Loquitor. "Any time a Zionist writes something like “Pat refuses to see our enemies...” the question has to be asked: who do they mean by “our”—Israel or America? What interest does America have in making an enemy of Islam?" By "our", I mean Americans living in the real world, the one facing Islamic expansion since the brigand pedophile began joining tribes in the Hejaz. The simple fact is taht Islam demands world-wide rule and that a moderate position is not opposing the imposition of Sharia in America, but having it done by immigration and Dawa, not conquest of arms. "Islam has been around for hundreds of years, and will be around for hundreds more. The only reason it has become an issue of late is because of Neocon/Neolib policies within Western civilization—from open borders immigration (because they hate white Christians and want cheap labor and a compliant, disorganized and disconnected population detached from its roots and reliant upon the State instead of the Church, which makes it easier to exploit, sujugate and manipulate) to fanatical Zionism (which resulted in the 9/11 attacks perpetrated by a handful of Arabs)." And were you to know anything of Islam, you would see how it conquered from Morocco to Indonesia. That liberal policies make Islamic conquest easier is prima facia proof that Neocons who support such treason to the West are not true Zionists any more than they are patriotic Americans. Sent at: 2008 12 01