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Entry: The Past Is Another Country--Counter-factual History and the Buchanan Controversy Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/the_past_is_another_country_counterfactual_history_and_the_buchanan_controv#30036 Post contents: Chris Moore writes: "It is Zionism and its authoritarian abuses that are uniting Islam and making Islamic conquests easier, which is prima facia proof that “Americans” who support Israel first are not true advocates of Western civilization any more than they are patriotic Americans." That is one of the silly comments I have heard this side of a leftist college professor. There was no Zionism in 618, when Mohammed's minions started to tear through the Jewish communities of the Hejaz. There was no Zionist movement when his followers conquered Persia and then swept into the Byzantine Empire. There was no Zionism when Saracens invaded Vandal Africa and Hispania, or crossed the Pyrenees into France. There Was no Zionism when the Muslims conquered the Turkic trives of Oxiana and fought the Chinese and Indians. There was no Zionism when Muslims instigated a thousand years of Piracy and razzias (slave raids) in the Mediterranean Sea. There was no Zionism when the Sejulk Turks invaded the Byzantine Empire and disrupted Christian pilgrimages, causing the Crusades. There was no Zionism when the Ottoman Turks conquered Constantinople and then swept the Balkans, Romania, Hungary and were only stopped at the gates of Vienna. On the other hand, Israel now does serve a purpose of keeping the Islamic world physically seperated and has beaten the Arab armies on 6 occasions. Europe's suicide is not the fault of Israel. The Eurabia Plot is openly anti-Israel and in practice as anti-Jewish before anti-Christian. "I have no problem with Jewish nationalism so long as it stands on its own two feet and quits implicating America and the West every time some screwball Jewish Zionist in Israel goes haywire and kills (or devises an authoritarian plan for the killing of) Palestinians and Muslims." What planet do you live on? There is no Jewish plot to wipe out Muslims. Under Israeli rule, the Arabs of the disputed territories more than doubled in population. "And it is primarily Zionists in America who see to it that we are implicated. Fight your own battles. If Jewish nationalism has validity, it will be able to survive on its own instead tenuously existing at someone else’s expense." I don't recall American involvement in 1948 and 1956, except to curb Israeli advances in 1956. In 1967 and 1973, the US did act to block Soviet influence. Or should we have ignored Soviet advances because Israeli might be hurt? For the last 30 years, US policy has been to bribe all parties and pressure Israel to give up land. It has not been once sided. Sent at: 2008 12 01