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Message: Entry: Hitchens's Trotskyite Morality Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/hitchenss_trotskyite_morality#30715 Post contents: Joe Populist should exercise caution in describing the Sudeten Germans as ungrateful "immigrants" who supposedly had been invited in by the supposed (actually, mythical) Czech national state of the Middle Ages. His arguments are, of course, identical to those of the Polish and Czech communists of 1945 who manufactured them from whole cloth as justification for expelling German populations that had existed for in the supposedly "recovered" Slavic territories of Sudetenland and the REAL "East Germany" for nearly a milennium. Americans in particular should feel uneasy about Joe's arguments in light of the fact that Germans predominated in Budweis, Reichenberg, Eger, Pilsen and other parts of the Sudetenland hundreds of years before the first permanent European settlements were established in the New World. Like his fellow Slavic chauvinists whose aims dovetailed perfectly with those of J. V. Stalin in 1945, Joe should be cautious about arbitrarily picking a date in history and using it (solely for the transitory imperial advantage of "his " people)as a baseline that applies both in advance and retroactively, for all time. For example, by his logic the Germans are fully entitled to assert claim to all of Poland based on the settlement of its present-day territory exclusively by the Teutonic Goths and Vandals in the first century a.d. Likewise, the great Czech imperium that is based largely on the myths and legends propagated in Smetana's "Ma Vlast," and which is supposed to have existed as an ethnic "nation" centuries before the advent of nationalism as a concept, sits on the territory of the Celtic Boii people (hence, the very name of "Bohemia") of the first century b.c., whose descendants probably reside in some form in Southern Germany. It all depends on which date we choose. How do you choose your dates, Joe? Joe, you cannot have it both ways: If the Sudeten Germans were "disloyal" to the alien, polyglot, Moscow-allied Czech State of Eduard Benes, then the Czechs of the Austrian Empire were just as disloyal to the alien Habsburg dynasty that ruled them and their supposed ancestral lands for many centuries. The next thing to consider, Joe, is simply to ask ourselves: what tangible benefits accrue to the West as a whole from the creation of Gross-Polen and Gross-Teschei on the one hand, and the maintenance of Germany as a power factor in Europe on the other. These goals are decidedly antithetical and mutually exclusive to one another. If Joe views the advancement of the USSR to the three great capitals of central Europe as being beneficial to the West as whole, or as a worthy price to pay for defending the great contributions Czechs and Poles have made to Western Civilization (as opposed to those made by the Germans, who as all democratically inclined people know contributed nothing positive to Western Civilization), there is nothing more to be said. Joe doubtless condemns Hitler's "atrocities," such as his extension of German social welfare benefits to Czech workers, who were then forced to rely upon those great humanitarians in Moscow for their liberation from this oppresion. Here I am reminded of a former co-worker from Ghana, who earnestly informed me that he would rather be a starving Ethiopian (it was the mid 80's) rather than a Zulu with a job in the then-buzzing industries of South Africa. "Self-esteem" should not be underestimated as a force in ethnic nationalism. Joe, your Aztlan-like arguments were tried out in central Europe in 1945 to commit crimes greater than any that Hitler is accused of committing against either the Czechs or the Poles, and such logic will doubtless be used again in the near future against Americans. Your rules will apply in the Southwest when a Mestizo state based on myths arises in the territory between Texas and California; and in both the past and future contexts, the only role of the "ungrateful immigrants" is to be raped, tortured (such as the German women in Prague whose Achilles tendons were cut by laughing Czech mobs in May 1945), robbed and then ethnically cleansed from their centuries old homelands. These unfortunates should not be defined as people who have migrated to Slavic or mestizo homelands as such, but rather as people to whose homelands Slavic and mestizo states have migrated. Careful, Joe. Sent at: 2008 12 01