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Entry: Authority Issues -- Is There Sovereignty Beyond the State? Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/authority_issues_is_there_sovereignty_beyond_the_state#32836 Post contents: Quote from Dr. Woods: Murray Rothbard was always at pains to note that libertarianism was a political philosophy only, dealing exclusively with the proper use of violence in society, and as such had nothing to say about aesthetics, culture, sexual morality, or any other subject. Which is nonsense because the violence in society help form aesthetics, culture, sexual morality, and every other subject in life because life is violent. Eating is violence, hunting is violence, uprooting plants is violence etc, etc, etc... Liberalism is a master morality whether or not Rothbard disagrees. Quote from Dr. Woods: I am likewise confident that individuals and communities would not only survive but flourish without being taxed and harassed by an apparatus of exploitation that does nothing but consume wealth and ruin people’s lives, here and around the world" I agree we should not be taxed as such. So I guess you must then agree we must stop free trade and replace the income tax with a system of tariffs or are you suggesting that we free the world by force from governments that socialize production like neoconservatism teaches ( permanent revolution for political and economic liberalism aka libertarianism applied by force an admitted oxymoron but that doesn't stop morons). Quote from Dr. Woods: "That a supposed lack of regulation could seriously be proposed as the cause of the mortgage crisis was as predictable as it is idiotic. " Why? Because you say so? Even Aristotle talks about the need for regulation. Regulation provides a context for the market and remove long standing regulations results in malinvestment because no one is certain where they stand because the rules of the system are ambiguous. Quote from Dr. Woods: "Even leaving aside the fact that “a nation’s wealth” is an evil, stupid, and question-begging phrase, any medieval king attempting to exercise such a power would have found himself either bloodied or on fire." So Adam Smith was evil, stupid, and a question beggar? Saying Nations don't exist and have wealth is like saying families doesn't exist and live in houses and is evil, stupid, and question begging. You have mocked the entire basis of civilization with that stupid sentence. That is in fact dumbest statement I've read here at Taki mag which saying a lot consider Chris Roach writes for this site. And as for kings not redistribing wealth have you never heard of Charles of Anjou? Quote: "Althusius begins with the family, which he takes to be the fundamental political unit. Groups of families, he explains, may organize to form villages. Groups of villages and towns may organize to form provinces, which in turn may group together to form a kingdom or state." Hold it right there. You are confusing terms here. Village, Town, Province are geographic oranizations of people but kingdom and state are political. The grouping together of provinces creates a COUNTRY. Understand the political organization of a king it is called a kingdom and more modern kingdom where the king was soveriegn we have a Sovereign State. The idea of the American Republic is the Sovereignty is held in the public realm. What is in the public? The Commonweale or the "Wealth of the Nation" therefore the owners of the wealth ie the land holding families of the NATION collectively own the COUNTRY and should have sovereignty over their property. So the American system says we should in order to enforce the sovereign public will the State is formed and federally organized in a system of representation. If you deny American sovereignty then you are denying the the fact that American people have a right to rule over the state which is argument of King George and the British system i.e the "Libertarian" Royalist System. Because America is a Republic and therefore the owners of property rule here we have the idea the mass of the population should participate in the ownship of the Country ie. be homeowners. But this idea is not FDRs but a long standing tradition in America. From Jefferson's yeomen farmers to the Homestead Act. Now, with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae going under because you libertarian/neo-liberal idiots removed the market regulations on mortage speculation, Americans will now be forced (because we have a usurious central bank another gift from liberal Anglo-Dutch system of capitalism) to borrow at the full interest aka full Venetian style preditatory loans. What you libertarian fools don't understand yes the central bank is evil but removing what protections we have from that vicious financier oligarchy isn't going to help. The only kind of deregulation that ever happens is removing those "anti-freemarket regulations" and you shouldn't be cheering when these gangsters remove the last of government red tape keeping them from raping and pillaging the economy. What will happen is end of upward mobility and the development of a permanent class based society like Britian because that is the British system and libertarians/neocons have deregulated us right into it. Quote from Dr. Woods: "An empire, in turn, is composed of these various states along with free cities (which are directly answerable to the emperor). To the extent that Althusius believes in or employs the concept of sovereignty, he seems to imagine it residing in the symbiotic relation of all these lesser groups as they unite for a common purpose." No, No, NO. An Empire is not various states under an emperor. An Empire is a ONE nation attempting to rule over other nations. This is wrong because God establishes the nations and each nation is to judged by itself for its works and such the independance of the nations are God-given and the attempt of one nation by its State to rule over another nation defiles this natural order corrupts all the nations. Quote from Dr.Woods: "That is all very mundane and uninteresting to those who would urge “greatness” upon us, but it also much less utopian and yields far fewer corpses." It is idea of Empire i.e. that the greatness of the Nation is found in enslaving other nations and taking the wealth of other peoples that is evil. I believe in the kind of national greatness that is about creating the best inventions,the best musics, the best artwork, and things that uplift mankind. There's nothing wrong with greatness it just doesn't come from the State. Sent at: 2008 12 02