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Entry: Firing Foxman Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/firing_foxman#3471 Post contents: <i>If you believe that the Irish are the most left wing group in American history, then you are remarkably ignorant of the Irish and of Jews, blacks, Quakers and other 100% heretical groups birthed by the English reformation.</i> I said they were the most left wing EUROPEAN ethnic group so blacks and Jews shouldn't be included. You may have a point regarding Quakers but who are these "100% heretical groups"? <i>The alleged Irish liberalism, almost always summed up with pointing Ted Kennedy, began with simply being forced, by the processes of British imperial history, to live in a world in which your culture is derided and you are expected to assimilate in order to live anywhere but the very floor</i> Sort of like the blacks, Jews, Mexicans, and other victimologists. Ireland had a significant middle class by the time so many Irish were flooding into America and many Irish enthusiastically played a role in the Empire. (More of them fought with the British during WW1 than for their own independence.) <i>In British terms, the Irish became anti-imperial, including when living in the Empire (take the Irish out of the equations, and there is not enough sentiment for independence to even ease a type of Home Rule for Canada or Australia). </i> Wrong, there was plenty of "Home Rule" sentiment in those countries particularly the more developed Canada which confederated in 1867. Becoming anti-Imperial and rebelling against the Motherland didn't make much sense from an Anglo-Celtic/Saxon Canadian or Australian viewpoint. <i>When the Know-Nothings use terror against Irish immigrant neighborhoods, as well as the many legal activities, they NEVER do so because they claim the Irish are too liberal.</i> The Know Nothings were old stock Americans resisting a foreign invasion. Cultural liberalism/conservatism had little to do with it. Though defending the religious and ethnic core of one's nation sounds pretty conservative to me. <i>Condemnations of the Irish and then other Catholic immigrants, especially the Poles, were the same right through the 1920s: they were too conservative, and their conservatism was retrograde and could only be anti-American, which would mean they would be anti-WASP</i> That's like arguing today that the Minutemen and other border control groups are liberals because they are trying to block entry to America by more socially traditional Latinos, Asians, and Muslims. <i>If you know anything about the abortion fight in New York state in the early and mid-1960s, you know that the Pro-abortion side was uniformly Jewish and WASP and the anti-abortion side was uniformly Catholic, with the vast majority of leaders being of Irish ancestry</i> Who cares? Those same Irish Catholics who were upset about abortion played a significant role in voting in pro-Civil Rights politicians and those that gave America the 1965 immigration law. Preserving the ethnic core of a nation is far more important than preventing abortions in the ghetto. Sent at: 2008 05 15