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Entry: The Pragmatism of Russell Kirk Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/the_pragmatism_of_russell_kirk#3670 Post contents: "And at the end of a typically long disquisition, Sid, you still hadn’t begun to answer the question as I put it" I did answer your false dilemma it by rejecting it. Voting Rights WERE of such fundamental importance to these thinkers that they WERE their principles; to violate voting rights, as they conceived of them WOULD have violated their princples. Sheeesh. "Neocons and mainstream “conservatives” today, and the occasional Sid Cundiff, however, preach the opposite, defending a perverted form of 1950s liberalism" -- Bede Burke the liberal? Next we'll hear of Luther the Jesuit. But with the word "occasional" you're half way to home. Kirt, The De Maistre I've read (_Considérations sur la France_, Du Pape, Les soirées de St Petersbourg, Examen de Bacon, etc.) has a dark view of human reason. He often seems to disparage any RATIONAL religious tenets. But I'll assume you know him better, and yield to your judgement. Maybe I'm thinking of Donoso Cortes. Sent at: 2008 08 29