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Message: Entry: Is Europe Waking Up? Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/europes_suicide_the_turning_point#3816 Post contents: Mr. Joseph Populist: But what if the choice is between either internationalism in business and trade (and thus the ability to sell to different cultures), or destitution? I written elsewhere about my figurative New Venetian Age. Tibet, Nepal, Japan until 1850, were shut off, and North Korea today. Mr. Nucci: Odd, I thought the Roman Catholic Church was the most international and multiculture organization of them all, and has become ever more so with The full recognition of the Magisterum with St Leo the Great's Tome, Papal sovereignty and under the two swords theory of St. Gelasius, Papal independence in Rome under Gregory the Great, the Papal victory in the Investiture Conflict, the defeat of Erastinism, Josephism, of Gallicanism, of the Constitutional Clergy, and the Cisalpinism, the triumph of the Ultramontane persuasion at Vatican I etc. The Catholic church has never been under the thumb of Emperor or Czar, or split up into autocephalous bishops who end up leading national, and natinalist, churches. Sent at: 2008 05 15