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Entry: Who's Infallible Here, Anyway? The Human Life Review Chooses Party Over Church Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/wars_and_rumors_of_war#5467 Post contents: Sertorius: There are 3 levels of Catholic teaching 1. ex cathedra infallibility teachings of the Magisterium 2. teachings of the Magisterium that are not infallible but just as binding: abortion and just war among them 3. statements by the Holy Father and bishops are the local Ordinary that are not Magisterial, not binding, but which good Catholics must seriously consider in forming conscience. JPII and BXVI's statement of Iraq are, and can only be #3. They nonetheless must be given just this serious consideration. In judging if Iraq is a "just war" or not, the Church's leaders are in the same place as the laity: reading the papers. For myself, Iraq is hardly a just war. John Ball: read up on the official teaching on infallibility from the First Vatican Council so that you know exactly what that teaching is. Briefly, it must be about a dogma of faith or a principle of morals, it must be addressed to the whole world, and infallibility must be invokes. Thus there can't be an infallible teaching that Sid Cundiff is an SOB. Read Newman on infallibility as well. Then know that it has only be used twice in Catholic history:1854 for the dogma of the Immaculate Conception (backdated from 1870) and 1950 with the dogma of the Assumption. Note that both of these dogmas deal with devotional matters. You know that I, a Catholic, have fought both Neocon warmongers and Brown racists. The effects of original sin are with us Catholics too. To judge a group my all its members would disqualify the original Church: for even Our Lord had His Judas. Leave us when our leaders, God forbid, turn warmonger or Brown. That hasn't happened yet, and my faith is strong enough to believe that it won't happen. Sent at: 2008 10 14