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Entry: Who's Infallible Here, Anyway? The Human Life Review Chooses Party Over Church Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/wars_and_rumors_of_war#5500 Post contents: I stand corrected by Mr. Richert about the powers of the Supreme Court. If Dr. Hitchcock is no longer the fine man whom I knew, then I would stand corrected again. Let me see his words and then judge if he merited the denigration visited upon him. If he has argued that to oppose the war detracts from the war on abortion, then he is wrong and attacking me myself. And good men can be wrong about certain matters. Point of fact: One can oppose a non-magisterial statement by a pope and be a good Catholic. St. Paul tells us he fought it out with the first pope about the latter's unwillingness to baptize non-Jews. Paul won the day. Newman said he strongly disagreed with the pope who issued the medal celebrating the St. Bart's massacre. I strong disagree with the gross Anti-Semitic actions of Pius IV of unhappy memory. Dr. Cathey, like Mr. Richert, usually has much of value to say. In responding to Tony, he has not been at his best. He has employed Red Herring and supposed guilt by association with Neocons and Reds and their tactics. Everyone who knows anything about Western History knows damn well who the Browns are. Those who don't can start with the work of Roger Griffin on Fascism -- not the only theory, but a good place to begin. And everyone who knows what caused the two world wars (nationalism) knows damn well that we ought to pause before pandering to Nationalist ranting once again. The fundamental principles of the Browns are quite different from real Conservatism (e.g. Burke). Dr. Cathey is quite correct that to call those opposed to the Iraq war Judeophobes is indeed underhanded. Then there is the race matter again: no proof offered for the assertion of race. But then Artur de Gobeneau, Houston Steward Chamberlain, and Madison Grant had nothing but pseudoscience to offer as well. (Not that Dr. Cathey buys into their crap, mind you, and I don't consider Dr. Cathey Brown). Adriana: The Church is chocked full of grossly perverted and callously wicked people. I too have suffered grievously at the hands of downright evil religious, priests, and bishops, because I saw 20 years earlier the scandal that broke out in 2002, and at the time told the proper authority, and got my "reward". More than few bishops need to be wearing orange for, at best, gross negligence, obstruction of the course of justice, and a severe breach of fiduciary duty to priests, seminarians, laity, and male teenagers. Throw in fraudulent inducement of funds from parishioners who thought they were paying for the the work of God, and in fact were paying, unknown to them, for the deliberate maintenance of a homosexual subculture in the US Catholic church. Don't believe me? Read some of the pleadings papers of those now seeking redress. Give Satan some credit: he knows where his supreme enemy is located, and knows how to attack her. Will he ultimately succeed? Buonaparte in his Italian Campaign told a cardinal "I will destroy the Church!" The cardinal replied, "No you won't!" Buonaparte repeated, "I will destroy the Church!" The cardinal replied: "We priests, bishops, and popes have tried for 18 centuries to destroy the church. What makes you think that YOU will succeed?" The proper approach is to judge the Church ... by the Church's standards, as you yourself, ironically, are doing. Is what the Church teaches to be the doctrine of faith and morals wrong? That to me is the really significant question to ask the Church, not if bad people make the church stink. It's not churchmen who stink; <i>human beings</i> stink. The world isn't divided into good people and bad people, but between bad people and God. St. Catherine of Siena disagreed with a pope. She went to Avignon and told the pope that his living there and not in Rome was "spittle in the face of Christ!". That little lady -- not the theologians or the bishops or the popes -- saved the Church. One tough gal. Sent at: 2008 11 22