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Message: Entry: A Providential War? Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/a_providential_war#7913 Post contents: Let's connect some dots here... Turkey's EU membership is something nobody in Europe wishes for. Not the peoples of Europe and not our crooked politicians, except our own versions of the neocons, like Sweden's Carl Bildt. France's Sarkozy has openly declared that he will not endorse Turkey's membership. It is also very doubtful that Greece is looking forward to a Turkish membership, in any form. For Turkey to become a member the vote must be "all for". The Turkish people themselves aren't too keen on joining either. For the sake of the country's economy it would probably be a good thing, but Switzerland and Norway have proven that you can eat your EU cake and keep it too. These two countries aren't in, but get almost all the advantages of membership. They don't get handouts, but they also don't need them. Turkey's economic situation is however quite different from these two very wealthy nations. The Turks don't consider themselves to be Europeans in any sense of the word. Neither do the various nations of Europe consider them as "one of us". So who is pushing for Turkey's membership and why? The who is the USA and the why is to psychologically prepare Europe for an Israeli membership in the EU. Israel is already a member in the European Football (soccer) Federation, the European Song Contest, the European ... you fill in the dots. The ruling caste in Turkey is a group of people called the Dönmeh. These Dönmeh used to be Jews who converted to Islam, but secretly kept their Jewish traditions and religion, just like the Jews in Spain once did. It is perhaps easier to understand the Turkish ruling class affinity towards Israel and its dislike of "religion". The disliked religion in question is of course Islam, the religion of the common folks in Turkey. This also explains USA's very favorable attitude towards Turkey. Jewish interests in the USA are pushing for their ruling Jewish cousins in Turkey, the Dönmeh, who are loyal to their Jewish cousins in Israel. The war in Iraq has rolled a golden apple into the equation. Israel has both politically, economically and militarily (by training) supported the Kurds from day one. The Kurds sit on a lot of oil and a pipeline of that oil into Israel is one of the objectives of Israel's outstreched hand to the Kurds. An awkward situation for the Turks, who are afraid of a Great Kurdistan, taking parts of Turkey from them. The Turks simply have to attack the Kurdish held part of Iraq before the Kurds get too powerful. The immediate reason given is that Kurdish guerilla groups have attacked targets in Turkey and then hidden in Iraq across the border. All true, but there's another, more pressing reason. If the ruling class doesn't, they'll rule no more. Membership in the EU is worthless if you lose the power and privileges that you've grown accustomed to for so long. Personally I think that Turkey shouldn't seek a membership in the EU, and if it does, that it should be denied one. However, as someone here said, the Turks are probably the most civilized Muslims of them all and could prove a valuable ally to the West. Which doesn't mean we must open our doors wide to the 70-80 million of them. A war with the Kurds could end in any one of many ways, but I wouldn't bet on the Turks, despite a tough army and great military resources. The Kurds have for the first time in several thousands years gotten something that resembles their own state and I suspect they will do anything to keep it. It's now or never. With Israel supporting them we don't need to wonder too much who the Americans will support in that conflict. Sent at: 2008 07 24