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Message: Entry: The End of History? Link: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/the_end_of_history#8958 Post contents: @Karl Muck: "Where did Mr. Mr. LaTulippe use 'end of history' or quote the thinker who recently used the term? Is his argument the same as the other’s?" He didn't use the phrase or quote Fukuyama. That doesn't mean, however, that he isn't making essentially the same argument. Mr. LaTulippe, like Fukuyama, is assuming that what prevails today will prevail in the future. As Fukuyama himself has been forced to admit, that's not such a good idea. "Was Moorish Spain a modern industrial or high tech society?" What does that have to do with anything? "Wouldn’t Scott Richert’s argument be better to say that Islam will not collapse internally because its enemy is a decadent society, one that is likely to collapse first? There was the decadence of the Ottoman court. Isn’t that small potatoes compared to Western decadence today? Is the splinter in Islam’s eye, and the log in the West’s?" We don't disagree about those facts. It appears, however, from your comments here and on the other thread, that we disagree about how we should respond to them. Me, I'd rather not throw up my hands and let Islam sweep the decadence away. I'd rather that we hold off Islam, while revitalizing Christian civilization. But I certainly understand the attraction of Islam to those who aren't firmly grounded themselves. Sent at: 2008 07 24